Jim R

I hadn't gotten around to reading this thread until today, and did so because I had some PM activity going on (not something I do very often here). I sent out two PM's today (one a reply to Tom in RI; one that I initiated to jmjk), and also an e-mail via the board software (to B-3er). I got the error message when I sent each PM, and also when I sent the e-mail to Jim. I sent the PM's several hours ago, and after I just checked my inbox, I see that I have no replies as of yet. I guess I'm wondering if I should assume that my messages actually got through... ??? To put it another way... HELP !!

Just wanted to mention that I replied to your PM, Tom in RI; and also sent a PM to jmjk. In both cases, I got the dreaded error message... My e-mail address is posted above, in case anybody wants to contact me.

Lon, the e-mail situation is indeed distressing. I haven't received any mail from you for weeks. I'll try sending you one shortly... Jeff, thanks for your input. I'll try to PM you, as your "afterthought" reminds me of an idea I had considered. If you don't get the PM, you can e-mail me at sjrowans@aol.com Noj and Couw, your exchange regarding the Sony discs is a good example of why I think it's more important to focus on compatability than on a perception of "quality". I'm a lot more concerned about consistent compatability in a brand than I am about whether it's going to last 50 years as opposed to 40.

Oops, looks like we were posting simultaneously. Jim, thanks for posting that article. I vaguely recall reading something like it before, and I must say it seems to be logical. Unfortunately, it leads me back to the (trial and error) drawing board. So, if I were to go out shopping right now, I'd have to select from brands that are packaged in small quantities (which could be limiting, in that some brands only seem to be available in large quantities); AND, even if I did know what type of reflective layer and dye were most suitable for my burner, you often can't tell what type a disc is when it's still in its packaging at the store. Well, maybe tomorrow some confirmed HK owners will check in here...

Part of the HK guy's explanation was that some data discs also use the blue dye, and therefore I can't just go out looking for discs with blue dye.

Yeah, I've received quite a few Verbatim discs in trades. Never seen any for sale around here, though (as far as I can recall). As far as the Matsuis, it sounds like they're very good- the only thing is I have no idea if they would be compatible with my burner. FWIW, I'm not even thinking that much about relative prices of discs at the moment. My main goal is just to find out what discs will actually work for me. I forgot to mention- the guy at HK told me that the dye color is irrelevant to the compatability issue. I had thought it was relevant, so I'm kind of feeling lost right now...

Thanks Ron, I'll keep that in mind. There's an Office Max nearby, which is where I've been buying the Imation discs.

Thanks Tom. Is it safe to assume that you use a CDR-20? I used to see Fuji spindles in the same store where I bought the Memorex discs, but I've never tried them. At any rate, I wish there was a way to try a sample disc before taking the plunge on a package of 100...

I think you're partly correct, but there are a few other corrections I would suggest. Here's how I hear the version from UNDERGROUND: Dizzy, he was screamin' Next to O.P. who was beamin' Monk was thumpin' Suddenly in walked Bud and then they got into somethin' Oscar played a mean sax Mr. Byas blew a mean ax Monk was thumpin' Suddenly in walked Bud And then the joint started jumpin' Every hip stud really dug Bud soon'z they hit town, Takin' that note nobody wrote, puttin' it down O.P. he was screamin' Next to Dizzy who was beamin' Monk was thumpin' Suddenly in walked Bud And then they got into somethin' -break for solos- Dizzy, he was screamin' Next to O.P. who was beamin' Monk was thumpin' Suddenly in walked Bud and then they got into somethin' O.P. blew a mean ax Mr. Byas blew a mean sax Monk was thumpin' suddenly in walked Bud and then they got into somethin' Every hip stud really dug Bud soon'z they hit town, Findin' that note nobody wrote, puttin' it down Dizzy, he was screamin' Next to O.P. who was beamin' Monk was thumpin' Suddenly in walked Bud and then they got into somethin'

First of all, let me apologize for bringing this up again. There was a similar thread at Blue Note a few years ago, and of course it's gone now (and I can't remember much detail). I know some of you are well squared away in terms of having blanks that work well in your machines, so this thread may be of no use to you. At any rate, if you are in that category, and also happen to use a Harman Kardon CDR-20, then I would appreciate any input you may care to share here. I've had an HK CDR-20 about three years, and for nearly all of that time I have used one specific type of blank- Memorex (Japanese, white label, blue dye). These have performed beautifully for me as a bread and butter, 1X blank for recording from any source- digital or analog. I have also stumbled upon another brand (Imation) that has been useful, but only for 4X burns from digital sources. These will not work at 1X, so I can't use them to burn from non-digital sources. The thing is, the Memorex discs that I used (and which have always been available in plentiful supplies locally) are apparently no longer being produced in Japan, but rather in Taiwan. At some point I bought a batch of the Taiwanese discs without realizing they were different, and discovered that they do not work in my HK. They no longer use the blue dye underneath, but I don't know if that's part of the problem. With my supply of the Japanese discs now dwindling, I called HK tech support today, and was disappointed to hear that the company does not keep track of what brands are compatible with their burners. The best suggestion they could give me was to try to locate a warehouse somewhere with a stock of those Japanese Memorexes. Even if I could locate some, I wonder how long the supply would hold out... So, I'm basically beginning a search for information regarding what I can use in my CDR-20 for 1X burns. Any and all comments or suggestions are welcome and appreciated. Thanks

ALRIIIIIIIIGHT!! What a great way to start the day at Organissimo. Congrats, Jim. I'll spare you any long speeches about how great it is to become a parent, and simply say that your life is about to get MUCH more joyous (no matter how joyous it already is!).

You didn't mention Trane, but I assume you're talking about the Harden/Coltrane set that came out a few years back, yes? I just mention it because that set does not quite equal the complete Harden on Savoy (he also did the outstanding KING & I session with Tommy Flanagan, and was also a sideman on one of Curtis Fuller's Savoys). Okay, so I'm a nitpicker.

38. I'm pretty much of the same opinion as Daniel A- it's been awhile since I bought one for the purpose of upgrading the sound. It's not that I think that's completely unnecessary, but with so many other CD's I want to buy, I just can no longer afford to buy every sonic upgrade. I've had all this music for so many years on old LP's, reissue LP's, and early CD's, that I've really gotten tired of rebuying everything. I'll do it mainly when I'm getting at least some tracks that aren't already in my collection. Plus, like Daniel I've got a lot of TOCJ's that I really like (and spent a LOT of money on)...

I wish it WERE that simple, Brad, but if you read my posts again I'm actually saying the opposite. It's my Brazilian CD's that label it as "MAS Que Nada", and it's my understanding that Mendes' hit single here in the U.S. used the word "MAIS".

Jim, thank you for spelling it all out- saved me a BUNCH of time! All I can really add in terms of pure data is the album- EAST BAY GREASE. I saw them three or four times between '73 and '75. Had all their albums (which I foolishly let go of). Check this out- the first time I saw them was at a wild animal park called "Marine World - Africa/USA" south of SF (it later moved north). They had an open-air venue there called "The Jungle Theater". To this day I still wonder what the animals were doing during the concert! I saw the Crusaders there, too, BTW. At any rate, you're going to get me re-motivated here (I've thought about gettiing some CD's from time to time). Anybody know if there's a boxed set? (might as well take care of it in one swell foop)...

I know this is trivial stuff, but I'm trying to sort this out anyway... As I said above, I had never even known that Brasil '66 recorded it, and I don't own their version, but it was my understanding that on the Mendes U.S. hit single version was spelled "Mais" (I saw a specific reference to this topic on a discussion board, posted by someone who owned the original 45rpm). Knowing that "mais"= more, and "mas" = but, and that the english translation of the full title is "more than nothing", I'll go along with "mais" as being correct.... BUT, what puzzles me is that I have a dozen versions of this tune in my Brazilian collection (ranging from the 1960's up to 2001), and they ALL spell it "Mas". As Shrdlu said, maybe the misspelling has been adopted/accepted, but it seems odd- especially if everyone in Brazil knows it's wrong, yet a U.S. hit single spelled it right! Anyway, I'm asking my friend Joe Carter about this, and I'll let you guys know if it becomes any clearer... B) One of these days, I'm going to go on a Brazil '66 / '77 / etc binge. I've neglected that stuff for too long, I think...

According to Michel Ruppli'e Verve discography, 8278 was not released. The session (Oct. 11, 1957 in L.A.) was released on NOTHING BUT THE BLUES (8252): Roy Eldridge, Stan Getz, Ellis, Ray Brown, Stan Levey patti cake, blues for janet, big red's boogie woogie, tin roof blues, royal garden blues, blues for junior, soft winds, pap's blues

"His niche is quantity" NO SHIT??? I agree with Mark, and from some of the other little tidbits of information (like the part about turning an old Rockola into a liquor cabinet), I'm sure I wouldn't want to hang out with this guy...

I wonder how they squeezed it onto 5...

FWIW, the other tracks on the Eddy Louiss Trio album besides "blue tempo" (aka "theme for emmanuel") were: no smoking,you've changed,don't want nothin' (Clarke),nardis, and hot house (labeled as "groovin' high")

To sum up here... find some way to get the box!

The original thread was magic. The sequel never quite reached the same level. A third time might cause bloating, nausea, and... well, you know.

My main online source (and not just for jazz) for about four years running. I've had them get discs to me (in California) in TWO days. You're right about their reviewer(s), though, I'm afraid...

1. Well, I can't say I'm surprised to learn it was Aleman. The fact that I guessed it was him doesn't mean much, because although it was an "educated' guess, I really had no familiarity with his actual work (never actually heard him, that I know of). I said that this pre-dated my interest/taste, and I basically still feel that way. The sound itself doesn't move me, and the artistry and style just aren't enough to overcome that. Glad to have been exposed, at any rate. 2. Not much I can add to what's been said. The JJ Mosaic remains one of my proudest possessions. 3. I'm going to have to give Wilen some more attention. I have several discs by him, but none of them ever grabbed me the way that this track did (probably because of the special qualities of the rhythm section on this). I'll be particularly curious to see whether his tone was fairly consistent on the other recordings I have, and whether the sound/engineering from this particular studio made a distinct difference in the way I reacted to him- which was VERY positively! I KNEW I should have bought more of those Jazz In Paris discs.... 4. I STILL need to practice more on Jitterbug Waltz. An old favorite of mine, and MUCH harder to actually play than it might seem (at least on the guitar!). I've been opening up more and more to LeGrand over the past few years, as a composer and as a pianist. A very talented man, who probably doesn't get as much attention as he deserves. 5. I already knew that I had been neglecting Tubby Hayes. I've been aware of him for many years, but up until the past few years (with the CD releases of several of his albums) I was never very motivated to hunt for his stuff. My first exposure to him was a CD I bought about ten years ago, called "100 % Proof". I bought it because the group included my man Louis Stewart on guitar. Unfortunately, I hadn't expected it to be an "out" recording (for the most part, at least), and it wasn't my cup of tea. A few years ago, I got a copy of "Changing of the Guard...", and although I liked it, it didn't motivate me to track down more Tubby. It now occurs to me that I need to get on the ball. 6. This one was an eye-opener, and I'll be paying more attention to anything I see by Ibrahim. 7. Actually, I did keep my mind open to any and every geographical possibility on this one, but my limited knowledge of eastern european jazz prevented me from suggesting anything from there. During my searching for clues, I did come across Namyslowski's name at AMG, but there was insufficient data in my brain to make any connection with the recording. At least I can say to Jim: I TOLD you it was european! I enjoyed this enough to open myself up to the possibility of seeking more. On the other hand, now that I've listened to this track 157 times, I may need a break from this guy!! 8. I knew I should have bought more of those Jazz In Paris discs. 9. As I said, I'm somewhat of a completist when it comes to Rene Thomas. His sound just gets me- always has. He used the same equipment as a number of other guitarists of his era (he was heavily influenced by Jimmy Raney), but his attack and his sound are so distinctively meaty compared to most of the others. "Blue Tempo" is probably my least favorite track on this session, FWIW. Somebody commented on the "creepy" sound of the intro (I've forgotten the exact complaint), and I guess I react in a somewhat similar way. Anyway, I still think this album/CD is one of THE greatest o-g-d trio recordings I've ever heard. 10. A learning experience. I've got to give this one more time, and I may be inspired to investigate further. 11. SO much good jazz, so little time. Again, I'm going to be open to whatever I may come across. 12. Still not my type, but it's good to be exposed to different things. 13. Ditto # 12. 14. I'm in agreement with Jim's citicisms. Not sure there's enough here to have made me a new fan. I'm in a hurry right now, but again I want to thank Tony and Dan. This was an absolute blast.