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thanks lazaro. exciting news!

django was definitely the man. i'm going to see an anniversary/tribute/celebration concert next week w/ frank vignola's group. looking forward to it.

my paypal seems to be a go. so i'm down w/ regular checks or this paypal thing. or if you live in albany, swing by and save shipping PMs sent to riverrat and magnificent goldberg. some details added to OP and a couple titles added...

hey riverrat. Oregon is on hold & i'll PM you about details when i get home from work later. thanx.

yo seeline! thanks for letting me know your experience with paypal. that's good to hear. i'm so used to dealing w/ checks and the issues involved (physically going to the bank, waiting for them to 'clear,' etc...) that i don't give it a 2nd thought or get annoyed by it. maybe after i get the paypal thing going and use it for a while it'll give me another thing to be annoyed with? hope all is well w/ you seeline. cheers...

hey guys. i just started the process of setting up a paypal account. since i don't have an online banking passcode i couldn't set it up 'instantly.' i have to check for tiny deposits in my bank account over the next 2-3 days and then go back into my paypal account to confirm the deposit amounts. seems pretty cool. if anyone wants to send a check, feel free to let me know. but it's cool that i'm catching up to the 21st century and am setting up this paypal thing! i guess i shoulda done it a while back. i will PM people and mark certain items on 'hold' until i get my shit straight. i'll bump the thread when my account is a go. hopefully it'll just stay up glad there's interest. it is a lot of good stuff for reasonable money.

(all reasonable offers considered...) hey all. i've been throwing away jewel cases and keeping my cds in "case logic" cases for about 15 years now, so i don't have the "backer cards" for any of these cds. but i of course kept the liner notes when there were any. some of these were 'advance' copies and are marked as such on the disc. unless otherwise noted, all cds will come in a new 'slim' case w/ original liner notes (the first few may get regular size jewel cases). all of these cds play fine w/ no skips. there may be marks but no serious scratches, and most are very clean. check or paypal is fine - prefer check. Add $2 for shipping in the U.S. for 1st cd, and 25 cents for each after that in your order. But: Any purchase over $20 in the U.S. gets free shipping! Over $30, free shipping anywhere! hope these interest y'all: JAZZ : Billy Childs Ensemble (w/ Brian Blade, Scott Colley, Larry Koonse) – Lyric (Jazz Chamber Music Volume 1) (no liner notes) $6 Brad Mehldau Trio (2 CDs) - Brad Mehldau Trio Live $6 Ben Allison – Cowboy Justice $3 David Hazeltine Quartet Featuring Slide Hampton – 4 Flights Up $3 (No Liner Notes) David Hazeltine/Joe Locke Quartet – Mutual Admiration Society $3 (No Liner Notes) John Scofield – That's What I Say: The Music Of Ray Charles $5 John Scofield – Bump $5 John Scofield/Joe Lovano/Dave Holland/Al Foster (Scolohofo) – Oh! $5 John Scofield Trio – Live: En Route $5 John Abercrombie Trio - Speak Of The Devil $5 Joshua Redman – Back East (no liner notes) $3 Joshua Redman Quartet – Passage Of Time $3 Dave Holland Quintet - Prime Directive $4 Directions In Music W/ Hancock, Brecker, Hargrove Celebrating Miles And Coltrane - Live At Massey all $4 Joel Harrison – So Long 2nd Street (no liner notes - but song listing, info, and nice pic of Joel cut from what looks like the digipak can be sent along) $3 Kenny Garrett – Happy People (no liner notes) $2 Greg Gisbert Sextet (W/ Chris Potter and Steve Wilson) – On Second Thought $4 Nicholas Payton – Payton's Place $4 Joe Zawinul And The WDR Big Band (2 CDs) – Brown Street $4 E.S.T. - Tuesday Wonderland $3 GRP All-Star Big Band (Gary Burton, Arturo Sandoval, John Patitucci, Chuck Findley, Russell Ferrante, etc...) - Live! $3 Frank Sinatra – Sinatra Reprise: The Very Good Years (from the reprise collection) $3 Scott Henderson (2 CDs) – Live! (no liner notes) $5 Jon Jarvis Trio – Hear No Evil (no liner notes) $2 Sean Jones – Kaleidoscope $3 Manu Katche – Playground $3 Ben Monder/Chris Gestrin/Dylan van der Schyff – The Distance $3 Rob Levit Trio – Uncertain Path (no liner notes) $2 Andy Parsons/Ben Monder/John Patitucci/Gene Lewin – Flip! $3 Kate McGarry – The Target (no liner notes) $3 John Coltrane – Coltrane For Lovers $3 Herb Alpert's Tijuana Brass – Whipped Cream And Other Delights 40th Anniversary Edition w/ Bonus Tracks $2 Linda Ronstadt W/ Nelson Riddle And His Orchestra – For Sentimental Reasons $3 Tahna Running – Live (no liner notes) $2 Samo Salamon Trio (digipak) – Live! $2 Stolen Moments: Red Hot + Cool (2 CDs Featuring Don Cherry, Branford Marsalis, The Roots, Digable Planets, Joshua Redman, The Pharcyde, ets...) $4 Frank Vignola And Joe Ascione: The Frank And Joe Show – 66 2/3 $3 Collections: Harold Arlen: Centennial Celebration 100 (2 CDs) – performances by Ernestine Anderson, Ray Brown, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis, Wes Montgomery, Art Tatum, Sarah Vaughn, etc... $4 Grace Of My Heart Soundtrack (this cd has a few gems) – Includes performances by Elvis Costello And Shawn Colvin $4 Who Loves You? - Tribute To Jaco Pastorious - Featuring Joey Calderazzo, Randy Brecker, John Patitucci, Mike tern, Mark Egan, James Genus, Bob Mntzer, Steve Cardenas, Don Alias, Peter Erskine, Steve Gadd, etc...) $3 Blues Ronnie Earl And The Broadcasters – Still River $4 Eddie “Cleanhead” Vinson/Otis Spann – Bosses Of The Blues Volume II (Joe Pass is in Vinson's band on this one) $3 Pop/Rock/Funk/Folk...: Breakestra – Dusk Till Dawn $3 Lucy Kaplansky – Over The Hills (w/ Duke Levine!) $3 Harper Simon - Harper Simon (Paul Simon's son w/ Paul on a track and Petra Haden on another - digipak) $3 Patrick Watson – Close To Paradise (no liner notes) $2 Simone White - Yakiimo (digipak) $3 Classical: Yo-Yo Ma/Wu Man/Silk Road Ensemble (music from Bloch, Harrison, Sharav, and Prokofiev) – Traditions And Transformations, Sounds Of Silk Road Chicago, Chicago Symphony Orchestra $4 (very good music on this! i got two copies somehow...) John Williams - Schindler's List Original Motion Picture Score Featuring Itzhak Perlman $3 DVDs: Peter Bernstein Trio Live At Smoke (Killin'...) - $10 Element Of Crime (Lars von Trier/Criterion Edition Includes Bjorkman's 1997, 52-minute documentary on Trier. Very interesting...) - $10 Why Has Bodhi-Dharma Left For The East (Philosophical Buddhist Koan Drama. Considered a classic) - $2 Books: Such Sweet Thunder: 49 Pieces On Jazz: Whitney Balliett -$5 (Original Hardcover 1966 Bobbs-Merrill 1st Printing. This book has seen better days. Ex-Library copy w/ the usual marking. Pages clean. Dust Jacket in plastic cover is in good condition. But the book I'd say is in fair/poor condition. Missing a few pages [pg 53-54; and pg 279-282]. However, this title/edition seems to be not-overly-common? Maybe a collector would be interested...) Nineteenth-Century Music: Carl Dahlhaus - $13 (Paperback. Commonly considered to be one of the best surveys of the period. Very Good condition. Pages clean, spine is tight, cover slightly bowed...) The Jazz Ear: Ben Ratliff - $4 (Hardcover W/ Dust Jacket. Like New. Added a dollar to price 'cuz shipping books is more than cds...) Rockers, Jazzbos, And Visionaries: Bill Milkowski - $2.50 (Hardcover. No DJ. Like New.) NPR Curious Listener's Guide To Jazz: Loren Schoenberg - $1.50 (Paperback. Fine condition.) Other: Get one of these free w/ every two cds purchased from above (but add 25 cents for shipping). By themselves priced accordingly: The Present (mainly creative improvised electronics) – World I See $2 Mia Doi Todd (With Andres Renteria/kinda new agey improvised drones/relaxing) (digipak) - Morning Music $2 Handel – Concerti Grossi Op. 3/Sonata a 5 (Academy Of Ancient Music/Richrd Egarr) $2 Bruce Springsteen – Magic (no liner notes) $2 Wooden Wand (digipak) - Hard Knox $2 Wooden Wand – James And The Quiet $2 Yacht – See Mystery Lights (no liner notes) $2 Pronto (from Wilco's Mikael Jorgensen) – All Is Golden $2 Damien Rice – O (I think there's computer/video content added onto this one as well. I'll check if anyone is interested... $2 (no liner notes) King Wilkie – Low Country Suite $2 (no liner notes) Donna Hughes – Gaining Wisdom (produced by Tony Rice) (no liner notes) $2

yeah. i hear that. my opinion is that none of the guys in The Doors were very good players. all kinda lame in my opinion. but Morrison had a real nice, deep and rich quality to his voice, wrote some good tunes, and sure had enough attitude and imagination to make a rock and roll band lift off. no Morrison, no Doors. even with all the same songs. but that's stating the obvious. as far as the Phil Collins thing goes - he was a great drummer. there's really no debate there if you know his playing history back through the 70s w/ Brand X and both of the Genesis bands (Gabriel and post-Gabriel). tons of excellent music there. and Norm posted this amazing vid of Bonham (for my money, the greatest rock drummer of all-time): damn. anybody else notice that he starts off his solo by quoting Max Roach's "The Drum Also Waltzes"? he's a fucking bad ass. i bought a vinyl Zeppelin bootleg from around that same year back in the early 80s. i remember very clearly Bonham's solo from that bootleg also quoting/referencing "The Drum Also Waltzes" but much more extensively. i've since lost that bootleg. every time i think of that i kick myself in the ass. oh well...

i love his playing on this: killer.

just finishing up Silence: Lectures And Writings by John Cage. i've got the utmost respect for his art (excuse me mr. cage for using that word...) and works. but has anyone else here who has actually plowed through this entire book - without skipping large portions due to exhaustion or annoyance - not wanted to periodically strangle him? quite often while reading this i found myself thinking exasperatedly, "Man, this guy should stick to working w/ sounds and leave the words to others." another thought i had while reading this was that, seemingly, the premise for many of these lectures and writings was to give some kind of insight into process or ideas, but often the result was obfuscation - and intentionally so. that's kind of like lying. and i know the explanation is that Cage wanted to "show" rather than "tell" - but i don't buy it. it's too semantic. it seems like a way to get out of saying words fail; or side-stepping the simple fact that you aren't up to the task of using words to describe something. and let's face it: obfuscation is easy. while clarity, generally and more often, takes more energy, craft, and time. for me there are positive and creative provcations; and then there are childish, negative provocations. as much as i admire Cage, i experienced much of this book as childish and negative. i don't begrudge anyone's buddhism or zen philosophy, but if it puts you on the road to enjoying being intentionally irritating for the sake of being irritating, i'm not for it. and i know i know, he's irritating so as to give the reader a different perspective. i don't buy it. sometimes being irritating is just that, and nothing else. not meaning to offend. and like i said, Cage is a master musician. and i have no problem w/ chance operations or indeterminacy as compositional tools. but damn... what a drag it was for me to read this thing. much better to simply experience his music.

thanks for putting that up ghost. terrific and emotional speech. good for him. Conan's has been my favorite 'late night' show for the last 10 years or so. easily. since the 'digital' changeover i haven't had tv - and haven't missed it. but when i did watch late night, Conan was always on. out of all of them, Conan's was the only one that i would truly consider comedy. all the others (some of which i like just fine) come off jokey. sure, funny plenty of the time - but jokey. a lot of the Conan stuff really had much more of a sketch comedy/almost second-city, groundlings insanity or absurdity to it. pretty regularly they really pushed. it didn't always work, but they would go for it. never, ever got that vibe from any of the other shows. all the others consistently play it very safe. i have a lot of respect for Conan and the folks who worked on his show. i obviously have no idea what Conan will do, but i wouldn't be surprised if he ends up on HBO.i could see him doing something very funny and creative there. i feel the same.

imo, that's disgusting. any musician who isn't satisfied making $140,000 a year w/ 10 weeks paid vacation should have their instrument confiscated and donated to an inner city's school band/orchestra. every member of that orchestra who is whining about how much money they're making can go to hell as far as i'm concerned. assholes.

i also like that nirvana/beatles mashup much more than the beyonce/ellington thing. the beyonce thing was kinda cute but for me more annoying than anything. as far as nirvana mashups, my favorite is definitely this one - killer: Rick Astley vs. Nirvana you guys may have already seen it, but i just got shown it a little while back. it fits so perfectly it's kinda scary...

thank you so much for responding everyone! beyond specifics, i'm just glad to know that this is a legit program that seems to be used somewhat regularly. i still haven't really used it in a situation where i'd have to be too concerned, but i hopefully will and i wanna deal w/ any "issues" before it's crunch time. hey mike. this is exactly the kinda thing i was hoping to get at. thanks for posting. when i did some reviewing for a local daily i had to save documents in "text only" format or something like that. when you initially save a document in open office is there an acronym for MS Word format? i'm gonna go check it out right now. and MS Word is somewhat universally translatable, right? or am i showing my wild computer tech ignorance here? just trying to get general stuff here. i assume issues show up on a case to case basis (meaning whoever you happen to be working w/ at the moment and what kind of systems they're using), but at the same time i assume there are some things that remain constant. thanks again for everyone who chimed in and maybe this'll be an ongoing thing. or like someone mentioned earlier, maybe that open office forum help line thingie will be helpful too. but sometimes those things aren't so user friendly...

definitely sad news. and i'm sending out my positive vibes right now! the only dvd of his in my collection is Easy Rider - Special Edition. the "making of" doc and the director commentary are both worth having. very personal and illuminating. Hopper!

work and kids? i can't think of any reasons that would trump the combination of those two for staying anywhere in the world. good for you. like i said, i haven't checked out iyer's music at all yet. but if he's gigging and recording w/ wadada leo smith and roscoe mitchell, there's gotta be something serious going on with his music.

my bad guys. i guess my flu is even worse than i thought. sincere apologies. i guess all 'new yorkers' are smug asses then? maybe that's why i got the hell outta there...

I don’t see how it could be read that way. Unless you thought “his culture” was a typo which was supposed to read “this culture.” That makes sense but whoa… that would be quite a mindboggling coincidence of context, meaning, and accidental typing. I mean, he/she wrote this immediately following: "Allen -- didn't you ever wonder why Iyer thought he had the right to be offended that you didn't realize who he was?" Again, I don't really see how you could read that comment as being about New Yorkers. Or maybe you were making a joke? Whatever I guess… not to derail the thread, but if i'm gonna read some of these threads it's not possible for me to see something like this and not comment. that seems like a very flatly racist comment. what the fuck? all indian people act and feel arrogantly superior to everyone else? it's part of their culture? wow... i haven't heard his music yet so i can't comment there... Two questions spring to mind: 1- Why are you reading so much into what I said? 2- How do you know I'M not Indian? why am i reading so much into what you wrote? well, again, i don't think i'm 'reading into it' at all. like i said before, it seems flatly racist on its face. no reading into it. just reading. how do i know you're not indian? i don't.

not to derail the thread, but if i'm gonna read some of these threads it's not possible for me to see something like this and not comment. that seems like a very flatly racist comment. what the fuck? all indian people act and feel arrogantly superior to everyone else? it's part of their culture? wow... i haven't heard his music yet so i can't comment there...

Define ‘moving ahead.’ Define ‘as good as it needs to be.’ this kind of phrasing reminds me of politics. Using vague phrases like these to which everyone can attach their own different definitions merely spins the wheel in ridiculous debates like these. And for me, making an analogy that that equates society moving ahead to putting a premium on avant-garde artists comes close to pretentious. I value avant-garde artists too – very much so. But society ‘moving ahead?’ society ‘as good as it needs to be?’ for me, there are many things more important to improving our society than appreciating Von Freeman and Cecil Taylor – like dealing with poverty, endless war, corrupt government, corporate crime, racism, etc… again, I value art of all kinds. It’s in fact one of my favorite things in life. That’s why we’re all here, right? Really? Equating enjoying an excellent, if not innovative, jazz saxophone player to supporting corporate consolidation, monopolization, unfair business practices, and unethical treatment of a workforce? This is exactly what I mean when I say I think this kind of arguing borders on pretentiousness. I love music too, but come on. I don’t see anyone here saying Alexander/Redman are ‘as food as we can get.’ I also don’t see any contradiction in embracing both of them while also saying “i think ’so and so player’ is better and more forward looking in my book.”

good one!

i just downloaded this program because i heard that it works well and i don't wanna have to blow money if it's not necessary. all i need from it is basic word document functions: regular characters, copy/paste, hopefully italics/bold/underline, and that's probably about it! my main concern is how it will translate when sent to other computers - ie: will attachments be able to be read without issue? will "html" formatting translate? if anyone has experience with this 'open source' windows program, i'd be interested in hearing about how it's worked out; and specifically w/ the issue of documents/attachments translating to other computers. thanks...

proof that 'originality' alone does not always make something a worthwhile work of art

sebastian left the group, eh? good for him. whatever group he becomes part of will be lucky to have him. very creative and talented drummer. as for the whole old vs. new, innovate or die, yada yada yada discussion: giant YAWN. these threads are snowballs to hell. getting preoccupied w/ this "debate," whichever side you're on, is a waste of time and energy. listen to what you like, and play what you feel. if you're an 'innovator,' it'll come out. ain't much use forcing it. reminds me of a brief graph i wrote about this kinda thing in a review a few years ago. i'll substitute redman and alexander for the artist/record reviewed: "The media affair regarding [Redman/Alexander] is well underway. [They] may lead some critics to celebrate the arrival of the 'future of jazz,' or cause others to feel compelled to refute such claims. But the reality is not so black and white. Those who are preoccupied with finding an artist to label the 'future of jazz' can't see the trees for the forest. Innovation is sometimes incremental and often not easy to detect. It's all a continuum. We need faith that the pursuit of excellence supplies the energy to keep jazz moving forward. Innovation need not always be a 'change of the century.' It often hides in the shadows, tucked into a brilliant corner like a precocious child smiling to himself with a secret."

just wndering bev - are you referring to Redman or Alexander here?