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Bataki, if you were listening to Dankworth inthe 50's, age 15... you and I must around the same age group... maybe that's why we like / listen to these people I agree that Dankworth was important to British Jazz, hard pressed to come up with another modern Jazz alto from that era that made a ripple in the jazz firmament... Bruce Turner??? Dankworth really was the only true British Jazz big band , in some respects. Heath's band in the 50's was good, perhaps not as daring as Dankworth, but Heath seemed to drift off into Eay Listening territory I'm not a great admirer of Cleo Laine... her diction to me seeems to be overly "correct" English.. makes m feel uncomfortable to some extent. I wish Dankworth hadn't more or less devoted the last umpteen years to supporting her career... maybe British Jaz might have been all the richer for it.

Thanks for the link... I saw this advertised and wondered about it. I'll probably end up with it, though Ball and Bilk worry me a bit. Though Bilk redeemed himself, somewhat, on a recent duet album with Wally Fawkes, and a couple of earlier releases with Humph. Kenny Ball though... he can play the trumpet... but his output seems to ve remained in the TRAD, rather than traditional category.. Have you heard it?

Yeah but you added or lost an "s"

On the BNBB lots of my replies to PM 's went astray because I simply hit the reply button to a PM that had been forwarded to my email account. I found out later that this causes the reply to go to some Blue Note waste land and not the originator of the PM ( making me look rude and uncarig.... Yeah I know I am but I like to do it my way...) Is this also true here What is the best way to reply if I don't have the persons email at hand already? Thanks PD

Lets not have a discuss Wingy thread... he's made it to AAJ, he'll be over here soon enough.

Now that, at that price and condition, is QUITE a find good for you.

Damn now we're REALLY in trouble

With a little bit of luck.. and a bunch of sales we might get more Have you heard Ronnie Scotts Serious Gold? Probably the high spot of his recording career.. again only ever issued once, never on CD.. It's amazing that this situation exists. Granted the British expansion into Rock overwhelmed the record companies... but there's a lot of good music still locked up, of which the Peterson CD is a good representation.

David.. didn't set this up as a top 10 place. I actually hate ranking musicians.. used to get on at Marvin over at the other place for that...BTW I hope he is here.. not to battle with, just to be part of the group. I just wanted to try to keep references to European Jazz together. Hope Bev comes in with some of his posts. I tend still to favor Music more up to the types found on the recent Impressed CD.. but I listen to everything..curiosity and a bit more cash than I had in England helps me do that. So input from people like you and Bev is good for me....BTW once I start a thread I don't think it's my personal property.. so I don't get offended whichever way it goes.

Bataki.. I left England before Scotts was really a big Place. I was born and Lived in Newcastle Upon Tyne. that's why I'm a big supporter of the Carr brothers.. didn't get to London much. First time I ever got on a Plane was to come to America. The Big club in London when I did go there was The 100 club, but it dwindled as the years went by, turned into a Rock venue I think One year on a return trip to England, about 24 years ago now, I know because thats how old my daughter is, My wife And I stopped off in Amsterdam and Copenhagen before going to Newcastle We went to the Montmarte.. Think it was Donald Byrd that night. I remember it as a big hall with a very high stage for the musicians. My wife is not really into Jazz, and Byrd didn't seem on.. sometimes being with other enthusiastic listeners helps the evening. I prefer my jazz clubs to be smaller cozy joints, probably beacause the one we had in Newcastle was like that. After I left Newcastle, the Guy who became Sting used to play the bass there.

Well Wingy's deliberate verbal shit hasn't been deleted yet Makes you wonder what really p'd them off. If they accept that kind of garbage.. then our poltical battles and baby oil covered bimbos couldn't have been the reason. My only conclusion is thstthe changes did come from what they thought were negative comments about her musio possibly huting their sales. I haven't seen much in the way of entralled Norah fans posting there.. I'd really like an answer that I can believe to the Question of what caused the change, and did they achieve their objective... doubt this enquiring mind will ever know.

I stand corrected Mike, you are right they are on DERAM,, so should be available.. I was in a Redial buying phase at about the time I got them .. thought they all came from the same place.

I also forgot to put a plug in for Chet Bakers Paris recordings, They were on 4cds from verve, and I think verve recently put out a one CD issue of recordings culled from them.

Pepe, Westbrroks two first sets were very highly regarded when they came out. Both were recently re issued on the Redial Label Release Cellebration and his anti war suite ...Marching Song Redial went under but these CDs are still in some stores inventory All three are worth the effort.

I kind of avoided Gonella, in my if its not American, its not real jazz days. I remeber him on the radio though, and interestingly enough he's on my list .He was indeed one of the early British hero's though...A disc you might like, I mentioned over at Blue Note, maybe you missed it... BLACK BRITISH SWING Topic TSCD781 24 tracks recorded in the 30's 40's The main participants are more or less from Jamacia. The musio is styled as you wuokld expect from the title, after America big bands, though more the Ellington stle tan Goodman etc. The gus were good musicians, Leslie " Jiver " Hutchinson, Ken " Snakehips' Johnson etc.. I guess you had to have a hip name to sell your music in England at the time. I had necer heard these people, they were gone before I got into Jazz, but I remember my dad talking about Snakehips.. My dad really wasn;t into jazz. Just trying to do the fatherly relating thing. But I came across this disc in my wandering and picked it up remebering my dads conversation. I was really surprised.. no it's not Ellington, but it stands up well to American Jazz of the same period. Its not all Big Band either, some piano centered trios, quartets etc. All in all an interesting CD for British Jazz enthusiasts with broad ranging taste, or people wanting a sense of Jazz history In some respects it's far more rewarding than a lot of the Trad jazz that dominated the British scene 50 throufh 60

I think its CAR MELL

I only have one Clifford Brown, the "Ultimate" compilation. "Delilah" and "Stardust" are my favorite tracks. My collection has holes big enough to skipper an aircraft carrier through. Haven't got the quote thing doen yet...but if that is so...you're in for a big treat Get Blakeys ONE NIGHT AT BIRDLAND where Clifford plays ONCE IN A WHILE then watch your dollars go... Won't stop you liking Chet Baker... but it's a whole new world Do it for me ....you don't like it...I'll send you cash in the mail... but Please BE HONEST You have to go there.

Well if you have nothing, the Pacific Jazz era is up there... somehow Jazz musicians are best at the beginning of their careers.. damn watch the flames on that statement. There are exceptions The three Prestige CD's that Bill recommended.. no vocals, Prestige trying to do a Miles Quintet repeat... not quite making it, but still good Chet If you have no . or little Baker thats where I'd go Pacific Jazz first Baker in Paris on verve.. think there was a fairly new comp.. hate the label though The Prestiges Bill suggests After that, you're either hooked.. asnd you'll find your own way or you'll move onto something else...... How much Clifford Brown do you have... Thanks B3 er

I'm from England.. been listening to Jazz for a loooooong time. A big part of the reason I'm in America is that when I got the chance to come I took it, figured I'd get to see and maybe meet my heroes. Two years would be enough but I got the American habit.. got into debt, couldn't afford to go back That was 30 some years ago. Growing up in England and getting into this music was an intense experience. I didn't have much money, LPs were just on the horizon. Most of my early purchases were 78's.. Was talking about this a dinner the other night, and fell off the chair laughing when my 24 year old daughter said " Dad what's a 78? " When Lps came out they were 10" only ...my first was a Bechet Feetwarmers.. Had to save for a month or more to buy one.. so by the time I got a new one I knew the old one by heart. To some extent I miss those days.. you rally got to Know a record when you could only get one per month... maybe two at Christmas if my sister was kind. The bad thing about this is that I wouldn't buy British Jazz records.. I supported them in clubs and concerts, but on record I wanted the "real " thing.. American Jazz, the Legends.. Hell I thought any record with less than 5 or 6 musicians was a bad purchase... less talent for the money. Now years later, wiser and richer, I have guilt complexes.. I buy and Support and seek out British Jazz, and try to promote it whenever I can, hence the reason for this thread. Britain has not produced a musician who has influenced Jazz to the extent of the important Americans.. but there has been, and are, some damned good music being, and been, made... we had/ and have. our stars. I was pleasantly surprised that on the BNBB some British musicians were very well received.. so to exorcise my childhood guilt.. we have this tea party there's more to British, and European Jazz than Tubby Hayes. I'm good on it up to about the 70's.. Bev if he's here. plus others can take you further... Lets see where we go, I really would like to hip the mouldy' er Figs to British equivalents of Condon and Clayton, and hear from Bev and co on the wider British / European advances over the years. No Posts.. hell I'll keep it surfacing.. it's guilt you know

I think Chet Bakers vocals were never great.. passable perhaps, and I do think they deteriorated with time. The latter day recordings with Getz are very painful, especially when he scats. The earlier recordings are the best if you want his vocals

Ruby Braff, Jessica Williams and any Soprano Summit you can find... not of these are Bop or Hardbop, though Jessica can play some all encompassing piano.. but for $4 a piece they're woth a try.

Wingy posted a really obnoxious tasteless post on Alexander's " To is a Prep..." thread If the board doesn't delete that post, or the whole thread, or even shut down by Monday morning, I will be really upset.. it's far worse than any of our jokes. about Norah etc. If they don't trash it.. they are blatant hypocrites, and I'll believe tall the Norah infuencing the board lines that we madeup were the truth. Wingy is over at AAJ now with a new but easily recognisable name.. wonder hoe they'll take No doubt he will come here too, but we are used to his bullshit( its not bullshit when he talks about jazz) and his infantile terminology. I',m looking forward to checking out BNBB tomorrow to see what they do... actually if they were hip, it would have been done already.

Damn you're fast... hope your slower with some things

I liked that guy.. except I don't have his dentist.

I signed on too.. it looks and feels nicer than the others... maybe because it was a vacant desert isle.. to use the shipwreck analogies over at AAJ.. no hostile natives, though it is to be expected. I was a bit taken aback by us "swimming ashore" and immediately demanding they put their house into OUR order... It surprised me more that they did, but I acknowledge as Jim mentioned somewhere.. this influx was a big boost for the commercial potential of that board. If I owned it I'd welcome a 150 -200 new overnight members too. This board is laid out really well, better than the "new" AAJ, and as I said, most, probably but a couple of B3's friends who might be here, have something in common..we were trashed by BN. A common adversity makes bed fellows of us all. I'm a liitle torn up about it, to a retired OF jazz nut the BNBB became a second family...spent alot of time laughing and crying with you guys( +girl).. hell it wasn't just jazz, it was passing of pets, sick kids, Aricisms good and bad etc... no need to spell it all out... I think the hard core crowd felt the same.... if not you put on a good show... I'd buy a used car from any of you, or a beer for you if you ever show up on the doorstep But regardless of the commercial aspect of AAJ, and don't be fooled.. if I were B3 and had a really active board / site...I'd see what income it could bring, I feel I owe AAJ some reasonable amount of attention for pulling us out of the debris... Harlem was hell..boring Hell... So I guess I'll do both until I see where the majority of the kin folk settle.. do like this environment better though Shit can I post images?????? B3 I ordered your CD, should be here tomorrow.. if you perform on your organ.. the keyboard kind... as well as you perfomed putting this together I'm sure its a gas.