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I think I read somewhere that Clifford was not scheduled to appear with the group, but surprised them by coming on stage trumpet at the ready.. The second trumpet seems absent from the opening ensembles.. but this could be a "trick of my ever waning memory". I searched a few of the old magazines that I thought might have been the source, but came up "cold in Hand" Through the mud.. it sounds like it could be Brownie Does your Proper box set end this track suddenly, or have you more?There's about 9 mins on the Philology.. but there is no satisfactory conclusion to this track.

John S.. Clifford is referred to in the personnel, but not in the notes of the Philology. The Tea for Two track gets quite Muddy at the end, but it does sound like a second trumpet player is there, playing more agressively than Baker. There is no mention of this in the discographies I have access to. Anybody know for sure? Did Brown play Newport in July 55?

The CD was on Philology Walkin' is an 8.10 long track (including Chet's announcements) It's followed by You Don't Know What Love Is( vocal ) then Gerry Mulligan joind the quartet for Five Brothers Then Bob Brookmeyer and Al Cohn join in for Tiny's Blues The next track is by the Dave Brubeck Quartet with Chet Baker, Mulligan and Clifford Brown sitting in for Tea for Two. The rest of the CD is made up of the two tracks of Chet with Caterina Valente doing the vcals and guitar work... I'll Remember April / Everytime we say Goodbye Yardbird Suite from thr Haig recordings in 53 when Stan Getz sat in for the Gerry Mulligan Night in Tunisia /You Don't Know What Love is from1955, May tv appearance on the Tonight Show and closes with two tracks from1956 with the Kurt Edelhagen Big Band Bochanal Baker 56 The Newport recordings sound like "live" recordings.. Chets tone sounds a bit "pinched".. until the Mulligan appearance.There are some off miking of the musicians etc as one would expect from these types of Newport recordings. Tea for Two especially, the interplay between Mulligan and Desmond is a bit muddy, as is the piano solo and in general the track has a bit ragged sound, especially as it comes to an end with fours being swapped between the front line and the drummer.The two trumpets then play off each other.. but the track is cut off suddenly as though the tape ran out, so in effect, its an incomplete track. The Valente's are quite rare as they were I believe, only issued as a 45 RPM single. The Tonight show appearance resulted in short tracks, as might be expected but it's interesting that Chet chose Night in Tunisia, not a tune especially associated with him during this period (55) when he was at the height of his popularity. Again not super clean recordings. The piano backing to the vocal on You Don't Know, which is vocal only, sounds like an old army blanket had been stuffed inside it. Maybe these are from somebody's home taping of the show. Chet sounds like he enjoyed the Big Band recordings. It's an interesting CD for collectors due to the unusual combinations of musicians. It was called THe Newport Years Vol 1.. never saw any other volumes. I would be interested to learn if Clifford Brown had any more Newport recordings issued from his appearance there in 55

Henry "Red" Allen

It might be more interesting to know why you consider the person influential Lil .. because she pushed Louis' career moves.. though I think he would have gone that direction by himself, maybe a little later though Billie because she was the platform for a lot of singers who followed Diana Krall ? are you saying she opened up a door for young, attractive ( at least when made over ) singers???? can't be a musical influence. Or because the record companies are all looking for another like her... in that case... Norah Jones... 5 grammies.. the talent scouts have got to be out scouring the bars and clubs.

John Haley Sims

Thanks.. I needed that.... another reason to drink.

Originally the "Obi" strip was on the Japanese issues LPs then CDs, because they duplicated the original cover and liner notes in English. The obi was a "sash" that described the Album and the contents, briefly in Japanese. There was always a full japanese insert inside the album. If you look at old Japanese reissue Obis they state the date of recording.. something often lacking in the original release... verve in particular. I think the Obi term applied to this piece of paper is a bit of Japanese "slang" relating it to the original clothing item

I sort of agree with JazzMoose on this.I don't like the obvious rip offs by the Disconforme ?/Jazz Factory crowd who often seem only able to bring out CDs that have recently been offered by Mosaic or one of the more "legitimate" companies. But I'm glad for the 50 year rule as we are getting music that perhaps would not see for a long time in any other form. If the companies object, get their way, and then keep the older rarer items locked up.. what's the point? Mosaic type reissues will survive as long as they offer extra material that might never have surfaced e.g. the Strazzeri set in the recent Carmell Jones select. If the big companies ( Verve ) and Mosaic /Blue Note feel 50 year old material is not a viable product. Then thank the Big G that these " bootleg" companies exist and the copyright restriction is what it is. I do buy 'new' music too

jazzcd uk indexThose RTE's are being sold off in the cutout bins around here. I know I've see the Clarke Bolands, and maybe the Ellington recently. The rest were esily available a couple of months ago. You might want to cgheck stores that specialise in these. Also a lot of these are also being released on European Laserlights. jazzcd uk index have the 2cd laselight for 7.99 pounds that's about $12 - 13 .00 there descriptions are limited so make sure you go for the Laserlight or you may duplicate something you have, or coming up in the Mosaic They also list a Zurich 1960 which is probably the Swiss Radio Days.

Concert in the Rain was the earliest MCBB recorded date to be released Prior to this the band had recorded a bunch of titles( 11 plus a version of I'm Gonna Go Fishin') for verve the last day of May, first three of june but these were never issued. ( Fishin' may have been the 2 sided 45 rpm single that was the first I ever heard of the band. Some titles were re - recorded and released on the official first album on verve. The books list 12 more titles from Santa Monica an 8 from the Village Vanguard. and a couple of unreleased concert tracks. From Ubus list it looks like we are getting some, but not all of the previously unreleased recordings. If the select were to include all these.. plus the early June sets, I suspect more than 4 CDs would be required.. Still getting a comprehensive set of CDs to replace my well used LP's is still something to look forward to.

C'mon Berry Gin you've heard of Sharkey.. N. O stuff.. make a lousy Mosaic. Actually not true.. just a hell of a lot of places they should go first. Btw......... nah can't do it twaas a JT thing Dig Connee or Connie or... just dig....

No! I moved it. It's in the link I posted above. It's gone, because there's NO point to its existance!! Your satire is in another thread! well i guess you saying there's no point to it is the point Had you not removed it there would be no need for censorship 2 Hey it's your board enjoy the power....

Ok maybe its over reaction You close down a thread I write a harmless satirical thread that vanishes without a word Ok I'm Boorish/ paranoid whatever... but Im also right.. in this instance But not in the John Coltrane was the greatest sax instance. Wait til it happens to you BTW where is censorship 1??????

Shrug off who? LP no way.. Any one who'se response to a disagreement from me to his ideas, is to write me insulting PM's an emails will be made public. We disagree in a public forum, we can settle it in a public forum If we had it would not have gone on as long There are numerous others who have had similar problems with this guy Had they done what I did.. we wouldn't be here. Shrug off the Moderator..? It's their board.. we were invited here with claims of openess and freedom.. I don't really want to use foul language., or post pornographic images . see my swearing with beer comments.. but if necessary I'll give what I get.. But I never believed in Utopia Not even in Bullettin Boards I do believe the old Power Corrupts line though... To be a moderator of an OPEN board requires great skills Hey it's their board.... go for it.

Without a comment?????? My battle with LP was not a schoolyard fight He objected to me making a comment that disagreed with him No Problem But his approach was to attack me though my private email system Making it Public was 1 the best idea I had to stop him 2 make it public so that others would know what to expect if they disagreed with him I have had numerous emails from others who have had similar experiences with this guy I accept this is your board.. but the initial premise was that it was an open board I have no objection to opposite opinions to mine We post them openly.. we discuss them openly not by insults (though they weren't that clever.. but the intent was there.). via private email systems I have no objection to a public insult, I can deal with that but if you object back.. Do it publicly not in my private mail box.. if he had it would never have gone this far. I don't know if I will stick around here.. maybe so, maybe not I can absolutely guarantee that I will disagree with someone on something I can absolutely state that if they respond with private hate mail, I will make their response public wherever I can. You can censor me if you wish, after all we do live in Bushland perhaps he's a friend of yours

FLAT TIRE Catesta stop making jokes about my name....

I was playing my Hines ONCE UPON A TIME The title Track.. sounds like another Hodges tune.. from somewhere else But I'm sure it had a different title Is this a subtle way they get you to pull the records of the shelf and replay them?? So I think I'll go to the liner notes to see if there's a comment. Guess what??? the Liner notes are on a 12 X 12 piece of paper folded to make it fit Camera Shifts to the verve.. or whoever owns them. board room Big polished oval table Lots of people sitting round it All in dark blue suits.. tamed ( it was supposed to be TANNED but I liked the Typo...God made me do it...) power types Even the Women.. but damn you know they're super sexy when you get them home and they dump the blue serge for some black lingerie and a cocktail. Every one has a coffee cup, but they sure ain't drinking.. they is waiting... Waiting on the moves of the MAN Enter the MAN...polished Cool, manicured to the Nth degree, even uses finger nail polish.. and his eyebrows....first class. He speaks " I visited the BNBB before it went defunct, because they're not as aware of marketing strategy, like we are. Just checked them out post grammy's Reports coming in from distributers, and my secret, undercover( no black lingerie there guys unless he wears it.. sorry had to intercede P.D.) sources lead me to believe that the Jazz Buying community PREFFERS ( his hand beats on the table) JAPANESE( there goes the table again) IMPORTS ( bang bang) WHY???:" the asembled staff, fiddle with their coffee mugs.. scared to respond. "I'll tell you why, he pounds"... twenty two wrinkles in his forehead... not to mention his overtight underwear.. ripple.. but hell he's getting off on this. The assembled infra structure leans forward in anticipation "OBI STRIPS.". they aplaud.. "MINI LPS" they pound the table "damn those Japs."...... they rush to prepare a bomb "12 X 12 LINER NOTES FOLDED INTO THE SLEEVE Do you realise these asshole will pay $24.99 for this shit???" Standing Ovation "So Move me!!!!!! C'mon tell me what we need to do to move this shit..damn wish we had some post 9 11 country songs." Far end of the table, nice guy, well groomed " How about simulating the Obi Strips?" sits down The audience awaits BIG GUYS RESPONSE Big Guy Beams.. "rRght on..??? I'd use your initials if I knew them Excellent perception" Groomer sits down.. hell he's just got a raise.... The suits rush in.. "OBI Strips we culd fool them with..." "Digi paks... man they'd think they were IMPORTS............" "Mini LPS."..damn it's almost like they are getting ready to hug each other. BIG GUY beams, straightens his tie The board gulp their coffee.. it's gonna be O.K. "We got it Big Guy........"in unison. From the back of the room, a hand is raised little guy.. maybe just the coffee troll for the suits... "Excuse me sir, but maybe these people buy those japanese records because it's the only way to get the music." voice fades a bit.. he shuffles, looks at his feet "We got a lot of jazz we don't issue.. maybe if we did.." voice fades to nothing.. like a jimmy guiffre clarinet solo coming to an end Big guy swells... " you blithering Idiot.. how dare you tell me what this Jazz business is all about.. You're fired.. Turn in yor Coffe cart.. the suits applaud..one even hides his Dizzy Gillespie with Katie Bell Nubin Lp that he thought might be of interest. Another lets his new found Shorter interest wayne Now says the Big Guy.."Kral we got... people are cooling a bit.. Don't know why.. Hell we dress her up maker sexy... Find me a Norah Jones!!!!.. darkies are better Jazzers.. and hell from the Grammy's they're in vogue.. get me one...." The suits scramble.... The future of Jazz is assured. .................................................................................................................................. Damn ..sorry Use 3d Super moderator I know there's a New Impulse reissue thread But hell I'm the first one on this board to have a thread shut down A little slack please. O

SEE I KNEW I WAS RIGHT what's ABeeriation ROTLFBLMTDI

BUD LIGHT ( it'll become apparent I hope) there were only 10 commandments Why so many questions?????? Feeling insecure Big G I would too if I were You.. gotta get this ole world on an even Keel DAMN THE BUSHES IN MY YARD ARE BURNING...........

The image AND THE BEER are way too small An the Beer is in one of those dumb ass glasses Float a Magnolia on it wiil Ya Don the Beachcomber. PABST I did the ii thing too Bobby McFerrin Hey thats cool substituting names of Beer for swearwords Like why don't you just MILLER LITE OFF copen OH well I think Catesta 'll get the Joke.

Sorry.. mea culpa......... if I delete my opening post will it all go away????

I fell off my chair when i saw your take on Norah Like the cat too Now my days are going to be spent looking for cool images.. instead of OOP jazz

Hey this avatar thing is cool.. and so easy to use... Burrygin.. why no daily avatar changes........? Finally got around to it Kart....

Yeah but ain't the fake Obi Strip COOL B) Hot Damn