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Carmell Jones.. you gotta support your Jones.

There were two Blue Moon sets 1 was the small groups 1937 - 1940 two CDS 51 tracks in all 2 was the small groups 1941 -1954 5CDs total..Below the Azores is rhe last track on vol 3 of these thats 60 tracks between Sqatty Roo of july 3 1941 to Azores of jan 17 1952. Proper most likely stopped there because of the copyright laws.. I haven't checked the above list to see if it, the proper is as complete as the Blue Moon.. also perhaps the Proper includes Hodges in small group settings under other Ellingtonians in the early sets???? The last two discs take the band up to the Ballad medley ending in Poor Butterfly of Aug1954.. all the tracks on these were in the Mosaic LP only box There were a couple more sessions from Sept 7 & 8 recorded for Verve which were in the Mosaic box but do not appear on the Blue Moons.. this might be the only place they were most recently available. As a point of interest, there were 4 tracks cut under Hodges name, with the complete Ellington Orchestra but with Strayhorn on piano, from Jan 12 1956. These should have been included in the second Mosaic( except it was called "small groups" ). They followed the first session in the Mosaic , with which they made up the album Ellingtonia 56. Unless that album is reissued these tracks may lie in the vaults until 56, is beneath the 50 year copyright. If Proper do a box then I'll buy it in spite of having all the other material that , that box would contain. Elingtonia 56 was one of my first Hodges albums, those four tracks still are up there with my favourites. Added re checking the list, the Proper only includes sets under Hodges name There are two sessions on the Blue Moon not included April 14 1947 St Germain Good to the Last Drop Only Wish I Knew We Fooled you these were originally recorded under Shorty Bakers leadership, but released later with Hodges as the leader and Jun 1 1950 In a Mellow Mood How I wish I were around I met a Guy Tea for Two recorded in Copenhagen, possibly left out of the Proper for space reasons and because the first three tracks feature vocals by a Chubby King(?) Also in the earlier dates, unless Berigan missed them, there are 6 more tracks Jun 2 39 Kitchen Mechanics day My heart Jumped over the Moon You can count on me all from the same date as Hometown Blues and The Rabbits Jump Moon Romance Truly Wonderful from the Dream Blues session of Sep 1 1939 So if you want it all you need the 7 Blue Moons, but for the price of the Proper box, you could only afford about 2 of them

As Lon ( Jazzbo) says this is a good.. no great set of Hodges... it will probably put you into a mood to have it all though...Hodges small group music is always of a high quality. You even get his "hit" Castle Rock ... Hodges doesn't solo on it, its basically a 3 min feature for Al Sears R&B influenced tenor. The rarest track is probably the Trio on Wax.. but this was recently available on the Storyville label ( The Wax Sessions) along with the other three tracks recorded that day.. and it takes you into the Clef / Verve era covered by the first now OOP Mosaic box ( don't know too many places where that is still available, unless the Blue Moons are still in print.....) and thats the point... the music may give you the bug to seek out what you don't have.. and the Proper box will be redundant then... however at these prices who cares????? I have bought Proper boxes BTW.. The early Shearing, the Machito ( even though I had the "Jazzier" parts) and the Wynonie Harris ( just about as much of him as I wanted).. all have been good value in music content and presentation... probably as good or better than, Mosaic Selects.

Me too, I have been listening to and collecting Jazz for about 50 years. When I started thoughts of sets like the Proper boxes would have been better than a Maiden saying yes.. When Mosaic started I thought I had found nirvana ( not the bill evans place, but it'll do too). This was music I wanted, presented the way I wanted it. Then when the likes of Chronological Classics started up.. I invested heavily in them.. so most of the music by the major musicians, to be found in the Proper boxes I already have. If I hadn't I would buy them up, because I think they're extremely good value for the money. I'm actually a little dissapointed that I don't need them. I would have been hard pressed to consider the Mosaic Berigan if it had been his RCA sides as a leader, as I have most of the music already, but collecting his pre RCA recordings, many as a sideman is right up my alley, I might have quite a bit, but not collected together like it will be. Maybe Proper will come out with a box on some musician that appeals in the same way But if you don't have this music ( and at present I can only guess what is in the Hodges) it's got to be high on anyones list, you should check out the Wardell Gray too.. that material has not been collected together( outside the Masters of Jazz sets.. which I bought). It's a real good buy.

only if they're duplicates.....

I think he means reissue.. based on he has Dave Bailey's Two Feet in the Gutter as a RELP... This was a "facsimilie" reissue of the original LP, most of the cds he lists as just CD have only been issued once... though if this in depth analysis is correct... there are a couple of mistakes.. the Pony Poindexter for example.

The problem you face is not the system, it's the games that become available and Popular with the Kids... My son has two machines.. the PS2 and the Nintendo. It seems the most recent games that were popular in his crowd were on one of these two machines. Before you jump in you might want to get some idea of the types of games he likes. RPG's, fighting games, car racing games etc. They differ from system to system. Games for the X box don't seem to have been too sucessful.

I have two other versions of Walkin' by Baker June 64 was on a Colpix album, mine is a Jazz Junction CD that I picked up out of a junk bin Has Phil Urso on tenor, Hal Galper, Jymmie Merrit and Charlie Rice..... it's played slower than usual Chet sings, but lyrics, sings directly after the ensemble theme " Love is a quite the Joker Likes to have his fun..... etc then Urso Then Chet sings another chorus There is no Baker trumpet solo on this version the other is from the concert with Lee Konitz on India Navigation from april 74.... this is only a partial and is cut off after Chet solos.. no vocal

I thought Jazz Violin was really a waste of time too.. until many years ago when Jazz records were not that readily available ( in England ) the world Record club put out the Diz / Stuff Lp.. one listen to Rio Pakistan and I was hooked. If you have doubts and can find that 2CD set.. snap it up... listen, then sell it and buy the Mosaic.

Chug up Kari S..... George Kelly

no vocal.

If they put in the live sets , it would get a bit unwieldy. I would welcome an absolute Complete Roy on Verve...it would bring forth lots of "locked up" music.. but it would be huge... All those JATP sets.. I suspect it will be studio only.. and possibly items like the Eldridge/Tatum.. might not be included. I think Granz bought back back the rights to all thoose Tatum recordings.

I think I read somewhere that Clifford was not scheduled to appear with the group, but surprised them by coming on stage trumpet at the ready.. The second trumpet seems absent from the opening ensembles.. but this could be a "trick of my ever waning memory". I searched a few of the old magazines that I thought might have been the source, but came up "cold in Hand" Through the mud.. it sounds like it could be Brownie Does your Proper box set end this track suddenly, or have you more?There's about 9 mins on the Philology.. but there is no satisfactory conclusion to this track.

I don't buy many comps... but two of the tracks from Dales Wail, were on the Verve Little Jazz.. the Best of the Verve Years.. and that might be it for America There was a Spanish Verve called Dales Wail.. which had all the tracks, plus other Eldridge / Peterson tracks from 54. It had the same cover as the Verve 2LP set, but I think the album content was different. Some of the other sets in Ghosts list have been on CDs.. Roy and Diz/ Swing Dixie etc.. but a complete set is well worth the duplication

John S.. Clifford is referred to in the personnel, but not in the notes of the Philology. The Tea for Two track gets quite Muddy at the end, but it does sound like a second trumpet player is there, playing more agressively than Baker. There is no mention of this in the discographies I have access to. Anybody know for sure? Did Brown play Newport in July 55?

The CD was on Philology Walkin' is an 8.10 long track (including Chet's announcements) It's followed by You Don't Know What Love Is( vocal ) then Gerry Mulligan joind the quartet for Five Brothers Then Bob Brookmeyer and Al Cohn join in for Tiny's Blues The next track is by the Dave Brubeck Quartet with Chet Baker, Mulligan and Clifford Brown sitting in for Tea for Two. The rest of the CD is made up of the two tracks of Chet with Caterina Valente doing the vcals and guitar work... I'll Remember April / Everytime we say Goodbye Yardbird Suite from thr Haig recordings in 53 when Stan Getz sat in for the Gerry Mulligan Night in Tunisia /You Don't Know What Love is from1955, May tv appearance on the Tonight Show and closes with two tracks from1956 with the Kurt Edelhagen Big Band Bochanal Baker 56 The Newport recordings sound like "live" recordings.. Chets tone sounds a bit "pinched".. until the Mulligan appearance.There are some off miking of the musicians etc as one would expect from these types of Newport recordings. Tea for Two especially, the interplay between Mulligan and Desmond is a bit muddy, as is the piano solo and in general the track has a bit ragged sound, especially as it comes to an end with fours being swapped between the front line and the drummer.The two trumpets then play off each other.. but the track is cut off suddenly as though the tape ran out, so in effect, its an incomplete track. The Valente's are quite rare as they were I believe, only issued as a 45 RPM single. The Tonight show appearance resulted in short tracks, as might be expected but it's interesting that Chet chose Night in Tunisia, not a tune especially associated with him during this period (55) when he was at the height of his popularity. Again not super clean recordings. The piano backing to the vocal on You Don't Know, which is vocal only, sounds like an old army blanket had been stuffed inside it. Maybe these are from somebody's home taping of the show. Chet sounds like he enjoyed the Big Band recordings. It's an interesting CD for collectors due to the unusual combinations of musicians. It was called THe Newport Years Vol 1.. never saw any other volumes. I would be interested to learn if Clifford Brown had any more Newport recordings issued from his appearance there in 55

Henry "Red" Allen

It might be more interesting to know why you consider the person influential Lil .. because she pushed Louis' career moves.. though I think he would have gone that direction by himself, maybe a little later though Billie because she was the platform for a lot of singers who followed Diana Krall ? are you saying she opened up a door for young, attractive ( at least when made over ) singers???? can't be a musical influence. Or because the record companies are all looking for another like her... in that case... Norah Jones... 5 grammies.. the talent scouts have got to be out scouring the bars and clubs.

John Haley Sims

Thanks.. I needed that.... another reason to drink.

Originally the "Obi" strip was on the Japanese issues LPs then CDs, because they duplicated the original cover and liner notes in English. The obi was a "sash" that described the Album and the contents, briefly in Japanese. There was always a full japanese insert inside the album. If you look at old Japanese reissue Obis they state the date of recording.. something often lacking in the original release... verve in particular. I think the Obi term applied to this piece of paper is a bit of Japanese "slang" relating it to the original clothing item

I sort of agree with JazzMoose on this.I don't like the obvious rip offs by the Disconforme ?/Jazz Factory crowd who often seem only able to bring out CDs that have recently been offered by Mosaic or one of the more "legitimate" companies. But I'm glad for the 50 year rule as we are getting music that perhaps would not see for a long time in any other form. If the companies object, get their way, and then keep the older rarer items locked up.. what's the point? Mosaic type reissues will survive as long as they offer extra material that might never have surfaced e.g. the Strazzeri set in the recent Carmell Jones select. If the big companies ( Verve ) and Mosaic /Blue Note feel 50 year old material is not a viable product. Then thank the Big G that these " bootleg" companies exist and the copyright restriction is what it is. I do buy 'new' music too

jazzcd uk indexThose RTE's are being sold off in the cutout bins around here. I know I've see the Clarke Bolands, and maybe the Ellington recently. The rest were esily available a couple of months ago. You might want to cgheck stores that specialise in these. Also a lot of these are also being released on European Laserlights. jazzcd uk index have the 2cd laselight for 7.99 pounds that's about $12 - 13 .00 there descriptions are limited so make sure you go for the Laserlight or you may duplicate something you have, or coming up in the Mosaic They also list a Zurich 1960 which is probably the Swiss Radio Days.

Concert in the Rain was the earliest MCBB recorded date to be released Prior to this the band had recorded a bunch of titles( 11 plus a version of I'm Gonna Go Fishin') for verve the last day of May, first three of june but these were never issued. ( Fishin' may have been the 2 sided 45 rpm single that was the first I ever heard of the band. Some titles were re - recorded and released on the official first album on verve. The books list 12 more titles from Santa Monica an 8 from the Village Vanguard. and a couple of unreleased concert tracks. From Ubus list it looks like we are getting some, but not all of the previously unreleased recordings. If the select were to include all these.. plus the early June sets, I suspect more than 4 CDs would be required.. Still getting a comprehensive set of CDs to replace my well used LP's is still something to look forward to.

C'mon Berry Gin you've heard of Sharkey.. N. O stuff.. make a lousy Mosaic. Actually not true.. just a hell of a lot of places they should go first. Btw......... nah can't do it twaas a JT thing Dig Connee or Connie or... just dig....