mikeweil

Agreed - influence never works one-directional. And it may not be overtly musical.

Remember the joke (courtesy of Jsngry) regarding a game of poker with Tatum? "Never play poker with a four-armed man!"

Your wish is my command, your highness ..... Ahem, I was slightly earlier with my identification ..... and if you want some more Rowles, there's plenty here.

The Mosaic has this as "The Sheik of Araby" - now which issue has got the title wrong? This track was first issued in that box. The melody does not sound like the Sheik to me, BTW. Is there any note about this in the Blue Note CD booklet?

I take it from the Mosaic booklet that it was two guys, two pianos.

Arghh ... didn't nail three I have, just didn't take my time - blame it on the customs. # 1 - So this is Rowles playing Body And Soul? I have that disc, and had the LP before, its had been my first exposure to Rowles, but didn't impress me that much. In the meantime he became one of my favorites, but not for this disc. This is a little scattered compared to his best solos, IMO. # 2 - I have this one! Didn't check thoroughly enough. Too many CDS, too little time ... at least I thought of Morton. # 3 - Never heard them before. # 4 - Sure that was Bix - way ahead of his time. It was Ralph Sutton doing all the solos for Commodore. This is among my favorite piano solo music. # 5 - Bud Powell detoriated - sorry to say that. Poor fellow. # 6 - I got Jo Jones, Tatum I thought of, but haven't heard the group stuff so far. # 7 - I had that on LP, but didn't like this solo. He doesn't do too much with it. I dig Timmons, but not with material like this. (The original liner called his other solo on that LP "My Funky Valentine" ...) # 8 - Very playful disc. Glad I have it. # 9 - Was too lazy to check my Ammons/Lewis Mosaic. Too little time ... # 10 - That Mehldau is too lightweight, for my taste. # 11 - Jarrett, alright. # 12 - Nice to see how people can be mislead by hearing Monk out of context! # 13 - Fred Hersch - that one is on my wish list ever since it was out! That guy is from the Evans/Corea school, but good! And Freddie Waits' offspring is one of the finest drummers of his generation! # 14 - Uri Caine? Was curious about this ever since it came out, but this track leaves me lukewarm. # 15 - Jason Moran!!!! Still have to buy this one - still I'm disappointed he doesn't take this idea any farther. Thanks for that damn fine piano lesson!!!

Now that I've posted my guesses i gonna go peekin'!!! Blame it on the damn customs!

So finally, here are my comments on the piano-centered Blindfold Test # 9. I found it pretty amazing that one can assemble such a disc with mostly standard tunes and still come up with so many items I do not know: my hat is off to you! # 1 Body And Soul The spontaneity and unprecictability reminds me of Earl Hines, but there are some phrases I would not associate with him. Hm ... # 2 At first I thought it is a Jelly Roll Morton Trio, but it is not in my collection, so I have to stay curious who it is. # 3 Could be one of those modern Scandinavian piano trios. Leaves me somewhat unsatisfied, does not seem to lead anywhere. # 4 I know this piece, probably the version done by the composer himself, don't have it here at the moment to check. He wrote a nice bunch of these, I have all of them played by other pianists - well he wasn't a pianist, of course. I like this a lot and wish classical pianists would play this as well (one from Italy actually does, on an otherwise Ragtime centered disc). # 5 Satin Doll A little too casual for my taste, the bass sounds terribly muddy. Not an item I would buy. # 6 Just One Of Those Things I'd say a pianist of the Swing Era - I'm not that much a fan of these heavily embellishing players. Is this Jo Jones at the drums? # 7 Lush Life He seems to play it more with the piano as an orchestral instrument in mind than as an intimate piece of reminiscing - he ignores the lyrics, to my feeling. I think I'll include a version of this immortal classic on my Test that I really like ... # 8 The Man I Love (AMG link) From this disc. I have to admit it was the drummer, his cymbal sound and beat, that gave it away for me, I happened to be in the bathroom 20 feet away as it ran, and recognized him, and considering the bassist - the two were on of the greatest bass/drums teams, IMO, and the fact it is two pianists playing, turned on the memopry light. I like its exploratory playfulness, considering it was meant and done as a completely unprepared one-session studio affair, it succeeded. # 9 Again, two pianists - I don not know enough from this era to identify them. Sure would like to know ... # 10 Blackbird At first I thought it was Mulgrew Miller and Tony Williams, but no, they did The Fool On The Hill, and this is too loose for them. No idea. Nice, but could be more concentrated. # 11 Someday My Prince Will Come Is this Keith Jarrett with Gary Peacock and Jack deJohnette? Don't have any of their discs - one of the early ones I had I didn't like, and didn't care to catch up. I think the pianist just takes off and plays whatever comes to his mind that fits the changes without much sense of form or the composition as a whole, which I prefer. I think I have already heard all of the phrases I know in different contexts, and the bass and drums are a little too confined to accompanists' roles. Nothing new, so what's the deal, except that he gets his rocks off? # 12 I Should Care (AMG link) Anybody who doesn't recognize this pianist should be sent back to jazz grammar school! # 13 Nice trio. The head reminds me of the stuff Chick Corea would write around 1970 when he was in an experimental mood. Nice interaction, nice drum solo that develops his ideas although I thought he started at too high a level - he knows what he does. In fact, is this Corea with Barry Altshul? If it is Corea, I like his playing here better than on his later albums. # 14 A Blues, at last. The way he throws in atonal clusters reminds me of Steve Kuhn. I'm afraid I like 'em either more straight or more out. # 15 Body And Soul Very nice closer. I like the way he only hints at the opening theme at first, then introdcuces that riff and combines them, but I was dissdapointed he didn't develop that further and take it through the changes or the whole song - as if he didn't know how to do that after that initial idea. C'mon, go through it all, I wanted to shout! So who is this? Although there are few items that I really like enough to buy them, I enjoy this disc a lot and will certainly play it every now and then - thanks a lot! Again I'm stunned that there so much music left to explore, even when restricted to pianists!

I too think anyone who receives a disc should at least post he has received and liked it - or not, maybe - to express his or her appreciation of the Test Master's efforts. The practice of having a new signup thread for each BT is well established by now, it seems. Please check your position on the Test master list, if you were under ' 20, as King Ubu asked me to place him further down the list, for several reasons.

Damn....glad you're OK! Some of those busses and trucks are so big, they can run over a small car and not even feel it! Mark experienced that once. and I was in a car! brrrrr. luck is on your side it seems. don't let it slip. Me too!!! Scary - you wonder that moment if you'll ever get out if this intact, and then suddenly it's over ... Glad to hear you're okay. To paraphrase John Coltrane when Elvin Jones wrecked his car: "I can always get another bike, but there's only one Brandon ..."

As I received my disc only on Saturday and finished listening only this evening, I hope to post my guesses tomorrow - I avoided this thread like it was a pile of dirt. Hope there's still something left to discuss ...

Technically speaking, couldn't the issue of Cosmic Music on CRC be seen as a violation of the Impulse contract of Coltrane, even if he had initiated this session all by himself? If so, what was the purpose of an issue on a "Coltrane Recording Corporation" and not on Impulse? Expedience then would mean the avoidance of any legal struggle with Alice as Coltrane's legal heir?

I, personally, find it hard to separate the man (or woman) and the artist. Tastes too much like split personality to me - I think every attitude is, somehow, mirrored in the artistic output.

They think that they save a lot on costs by just pulling out an existing master tape and cover art and making a 1-to-1 re-release. Universal fired half of the personnel after fusing with Polygram, and has reduced it even more after that, so they'd have to hire some external reissue producer, who'd have to know about jazz, and cost money, and invest in studio time for edits etc. The new digital transfers are a routine job by now. Part of the blame goes to nostalgic fans that loathe bonus tracks in any form.

Autumn was on French Columbia CD COL 472622 2. Shock Treatment was on Koch Jazz CD KOC CD-8590. Electric Bath was on Columbia Legacy CD CK 65522. All other Columbia LPs of Don Ellis were never reissued on CD anywhere in the world, AFAIK. Some retailer told me it may have to do with the Ellis estate sitting on the publishing rights, making licensing for reissue difficult. Don Ellis at Fillmore and Tears of Joy are great! If you have them on vinyl, why bother?

In this case I guess we will have to wait for Alice's autobiography to clear things up. My speculation is that Coltrane's contract with Impulse was, of course, terminated by his passing, and judging from the short liner notes on the Impulse reissue of Cosmic Music announcing Alice Coltrane having become an Impulse recording artist in her own right by then, this may have taken some negotiations and her "private" release may have been an important agrument on her side: See, I can do it this way, if you don't cooperate ... because we know by now that the unreleased material probably went into the vaults at the Coltrane home and not at Impulse. Maybe she thought she could sell the record better with a combination of her new group and the former with her late husband. Since the two tracks by Alice's group appeared as bonus tracks on the Impulse CD reissue in very good sound, and Peace On Earth exists in both versions, chances are the original tape of Leo still exists - or it was indeed mixed up with one of the other versions recorded that year. Maybe the edits were the reason for Cuscuna not reissuing these tracks - maybe he still hoped to find the original tapes. It is the only material released on some Impulse LP in the 1960's or 1970's that has not seen a US CD reissue. "Replaced" does not necessarily mean "erased". Seems like it was a multi-track recording, and since, as I said before, the original tape of Peace On Earth still exists ... That prayer spoken by Coltrane and Sanders was used as an introduction to that track, BTW.

Bruyninckx lists these two tracks as being recorded at the Onyx Club in New York. He also lists Herbie Fields and Buster Bailey as playing clarinet on The Romp, and Byas and Webster on tenor, and no guitar at all. Bailey is out on Honeysuckle Rose, and Fields and Gordon on tenor. Gordon inherited Ben Webster's tenor sax and did some European recordings on it, BTW.

Source: David Wild's Wild Place Thanks to king ubu (feel hugged for this nice surprise) I was finally listening to Manifestation and Reverend King from this session and kick myself for selling the Jupiter Variation LP with the original version of Peace on Earth. Now I wonder why in all the world the four titles of the session have never been reissued on a single disc - 40 minutes is better than nothing - and if the original tape still exists in the Coltrane vaults. Ravi go searching! Sure would like to hear this!

You're welcome. But I thought being a Christian - and I feel to be one, even if I am not a member of any church orginization - includes love and respect for all in the world, including their beliefs. I do not intend to be cynical, but if salvation does not change your state as sinners, what is the use, if we do not accept responsibility for our own doings on earth. I finally got a copy of Cosmic Music, and although it's a posthumous cover design, it shows a collage of Jesus, a Far Eastern Buddha, an Indian Buddha, and an Egyptian sphinx, symbolizing the co-existence of religions. I am afraid I like this pan-theistic spirit a lot more than the claims for exclusivity of any religion for being the only true belief in the world. I firmly believe love, respect, and tolerance, to be a "crucial" part of the message of Jesus Christ. Insulting other religions could be a manifestation of evil, just as well. Consider how many wars this attitude has effected, and still does. Peace be with you, and all beings on earth. ----------------------------------------------------- Getting back to topic, when I listen to Coltrane playing his sheets of sounds and shrieks, they strike me by their sheer emotional power and expressive force - whereas with all younger players the same phrases leave me cold like technical exercises, like they think they might feel some of that intensity by playing this, not the other way round, like Coltrane did ...

As great as Wayne Shorter's tunes are, at least those from the 1960's, they are also very diversified, that would make it difficult. Herbie I love, he's one of my favourite jazz musicians, but the question here is about identifying a composition I never heard, and I doubt that. Our Blindfold Tests would be the appropriate testing ground!

It's been told told that they themselves couldn't either - at least a while after finishing the tunes.

.... seems they can do a lot of other things, at least in signatures. I don't feel offended, but see how someone, especially women, might feel that way. On the other hand, you can't judge a board community by just two members posting bouncing boobs or nude ladies - it's part of life, and it's a woman (supposedly) kicking her legs, so she should be the one to blame for exposing herself and giving men the opportunity to gaze at her ... well, she does it because she knows there are guys who like it and will pay for it ... it is a multi-faceted affair. Enjoying looking at a nude female body does not imply disrespect for women, IMHO. Avoiding things like this is not the solution. As long as it is not getting out of hand, it's okay with me. But like Claude, I find it somewhat distracting in the place of a signature.

Remember the story how Carlos Santana listened to Ascencion while on Acid and imagined flying over Africa? Some of that later stuff with experimental percussion is Coltrane's take on world music, in my ears. I love Kulu Se Mama, Juno Lewis is a magnificent addition to the band. OM is a litle weird. Well, it was the band on Acid .... I think Chuck Nessa nailed it pretty well when he said that it's "an unfortunate "entry point" for the uninitiated".

Of course I forgot some: B.B. King John McLaughlin (the revived Mahavishnu Orchestra) Al di Meola (forgettable) Chick Corea with Return To Forever (dtto.) Jimmy Smith with Kenny Burrell and Ed Thidpen among the great sidemen were: Billy Higgins Sam Jones Bob Berg Ralph Moore Daniel Humair Billy Hart David Williams Kirk Lightsey Rufus Reid Eddie Gladden Bobby Watson Christian Mc Bride Geoff Keezer Renee Rosnes Benny Green James Williams Mickey Roker Gene Harris Grady Tate Sonny Sharrock Steve Marcus ... I think I'm lucky to have seen so many.

Fresh Sound?! Michael Cuscuna should take care of this one!!! (Jubilee belonging to the Roulette group, which EMI in London controls.)