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Thanks for the heads up. I'll probably get it. although I have to agree re the packaging (sucks) and sound (shrill). I removed all the CDs and keep the packaging elsewhere. Edit: The packing is actually quite groovy, but otherwise pretty useless for someone who likes to keep his collection nice and orderly

My condolences, Rolf. Very, very sad news. All the best to you and your family. Volkher

orked. I got the full track listing for all four boxes (four files, which look like the basis for the tracklistings on the box sets (see examples below)). I'm not going to post the files here, they are simply too large, but if you can wait until my website is live again end of next week, the stuff will be on there. Some observations: a) "Les Trésors du Jazz" went up until CD 75 before it kicked the bucket. b) Just quickly, I compared the last two CDs of the 1957 (last) box with the contents of the new boxes ... identical, same sequence, session, etc. c) They must have added some material from other boxed sets of theirs (Piano Jazz, Big Band, ... my guess) because at the point where Tresors and these new sets are identical, the new ones are up to CD 77. I'll give these very long files (4 documents with 300 to 800 kb of text each) a closer look next week to see where the changes are (they could have also just put a few tracks less here and there on each CD of the new set). Right now I don't have the time. Cheers! Example. These are the last two CDs (74 and 75) of the Tresors series as they appear in the new boxed sets (CD 75 and onward). The track listing is completely identical. And this is where they then (as a continuation of the above), segue into the 1958 material (which would, supposedly, have been the next Tresors box):

Like many other people I know, people who used to be all over the map, I've erased the US off my map completely. I'd rather travel to Sierra Leone.

P.S. In the Nov. 2009 catalog (Harmonia Mundi, UK) it states that a full track listing is available upon request. I mailed them my request. Let's see what comes of it. If I get a copy and it doesn't turn out to be a state secret, I'll post it here.

Thanks for the info, Guy! My French was just about good enough to get the drift. I guess I'll wait until they recycle the newer material somewhere down the line, maybe with even newer stuff added ... although these guys aren't really getting younger, so who knows how much is still to come?.

Has anyone found more about these anywhere? I still think they are a mere repackaging of various other box sets they've had out there, but I would need a tracklisting of any of these four to compare. The "Le Chant du Monde" website - the last time I checked a few days ago - still had zilch info (besides covers and publicity blurb) about these (not on the French portion of their site either). This is beginning to be comparable to other cheapo offers. Have it available but post no info to make the customer buy the cat in the bag. So far, very disappointed by "Le Chant du Monde", who have done much better in the past. Not a way to sell these probably spectacular sets (for those who don't have others) to potential customers.

My website is rising from sickness and disease again end of next week. With your permission, I'll include this. I've redone my page a bit but it won't be reachable until the countdown ends.

Well, this is my quick & dirty scratch-pad version which I intend to flesh out bit by bit: Hodges, Johnny and Davis, Wild Bill. Johnny Hodges and Wild Bill Davis, Volumes 1-2 (1965-1966)Gillespie, Dizzy. "Dizzy Gillespie" (1946-1949)Whiteman, Paul. Paul Whiteman "Jazz à la King"' (1920-1936)Carter, Benny. Benny Carter (1928-52)Hines, Earl. The Indispensable Earl Hines, Volumes 1/2 (1939-1940)King Oliver. King Oliver & His Orchestra (1929-30)McKinney's Cotton Pickers. The Complete McKinney's Cotton Pickers Vol. 1 / 2 (1928 - 1929) (Jazz Tribune N° 7) Moten, Bennie. The Indispensable Bennie Moten Vol. 1/2Morton, Jelly Roll. The Complete Jelly Roll Morton, Volumes 1/2 (1926-1927). Bechet, Sidney. The Complete Sidney Bechet, Volumes 1/2 (1932-1941)Morton, Jelly Roll. The Complete Jelly Roll Morton, Volumes 3/4 (1927-1929)Smith, Willie 'The Lion': The Memoirs of Willie 'The Lion' SmithGoodman, Benny. The Complete Small Combinations, Volumes 1/2 (1935-1937)Shaw, Artie. The Indispensable Artie Shaw, Volumes 1/2 (1938-1939)Miller, Glenn. Glenn Miller and the Army Air Force Band Hawkins, Erskine.The Complete Erskine Hawkins, Vol. 1-2 (?-?)McKinney's Cotton Pickers. The Complete McKinney's Cotton Pickers Vol. 3 / 4 Bechet, Sidney. The Complete Sidney Bechet: Volumes 3/4 (1941)Hines, Earl. The Indispensable Earl Hines, Volumes 3/4 (1939-1945)Armstrong, Louis. "The Young Louis Armstrong" (1930-1933)Ellington, Duke. The Indispensable Duke Ellington, Volumes 1/2 (?)Goodman, Benny. The Complete Small Combinations, Volumes 3 / 4 (1937/1939)Waller, Fats. "Piano Solos" (1929-1941)Dorsey, Tommy and Sinatra, Frank. Tommy Dorsey and His Orchestra with Frank Sinatra.Waller, Fats. The Indispensable Fats Waller, Volumes 1/2 (1926-1935)Berigan, Bunny. The Indispensable Bunny Berigan Vol. 1/2 (1937-1939)Basie, Count. The Indispensable Count Basie.Ellington, Duke. The Indispensable Duke Ellington, Volumes 3/4 (?)Morton, Jelly Roll. The Complete Jelly Roll Morton, Volumes 5/6 (1929-1930)The Indispensable Fletcher Henderson (1927-1936)Moten, Bennie. The Indispensable Bennie Moten Vol. 3/4Waller, Fats. The Indispensable Fats Waller, Volumes 3/4 (1935-1936)Ellington, Duke. The Indispensable Duke Ellington, Volumes 5/6 (1940)Dorsey, Tommy. The Indispensable Tommy Dorsey Volumes 1/2 (1935-1937)Goodman, Benny. The Indispensable Benny Goodman, Volumes 1/2: "Birth of a Big Band" (1935-1936)Hines, Earl. The Indispensable Earl Hines, Volumes 5/6 (1944-1966): "The Bob Thiele Sessions"Shaw, Artie. The Indispensable Artie Shaw, Volumes 3/4 (1940-1942)Morton, Jelly Roll. The Complete Jelly Roll Morton, Volumes 7/8 (1930-1940).Reinhardt, Django. The Indispensable Django Reinhardt (1949-50) Moten, Benie. The Indispensable Bennie Moten Vol. 5/6Barnet, Charlie. The Indispensable Charlie Barnet, Volumes 1/2, (1935-1939) Various Artists. Ragtime (1900-1930)Armstrong, Louis. Louis Armstrong at Town Hall: "The Complete Town Hall Concert 17 May 1947 Waller, Fats. The Indispensable Fats Waller, Volumes 5/6 (1936-1938)Teagarden, Jack. The Indispensable Jack Teagarden (1938-1957) Bechet, Sidney. Complete Vol. 5 (1941-43, & Mezz Mezzrow 'The panassie sessions 1938-39)Goodman, Benny. The Indispensable Benny Goodman, Volumes 3/4 (1936-1937) Beiderbecke, Bix. The Indispensable Bix Beiderbecke (1924-1930)McKinney's Cotton Pickers Vol. 5 Miller, Glenn. Glenn Miller and His Orchestra: "The Swinging Mr. Miller"Various Artists. Memphis Blues (1928-30)Hawkins, Coleman. The Indispensable Coleman Hawkins: "Body and soul" (1927-1956)Dorsey, Tommy. The Indispensable Tommy Dorsey Volumes 3/4 (1937-1938)Armstrong, Louis. Louis Armstrong: "From the Big Band to the All Stars" (1946-1956)Ellington, Duke. The Indispensable Duke Ellington, Volumes 7/8 (1941-1942)Barnet, Charlie. The Indispensable Charlie Barnet (1940-1942)Berry, Chu. The Indispensable Chu Berry. Featuring: Roy Eldridge, Gene Krupa, Benny Goodman, Fletcher Henderson, Cab Calloway, Wingy Manone, Lionel Hampton, etc … (1936-1939)Calloway, Cab. Cab Calloway & Co. The Complete 1933-1934 Cotton Club Orchestra Sessions, the 1949 Sides plus Rare Items by Blanche Calloway (1931) and Billy Banks (1932)Waller, Fats. The Indispensable Fats Waller, Volumes 7/8 (1938-1940)Ellington, Duke.The Indispensable Duke Ellington & Small Groups Vol. 9-10 (1940-1946)Hampton, Lionel. The Complete Lionel Hampton, Volumes 1/2 (1937-1938)"Chicago Blues" (1935-1942). Sonny Boy Williamson. Big Bill Broonzy. Jazz Gillum. Washboard Sam. Joe McCoy. Johnny Temple, Tampa Red ...Dorsey, Tommy. The Indispensable Tommy Dorsey Vol. 5/6 ) Carlisle, Una Mae. The Complete Una Mae Carlisle (1940-1942) and John Kirby (1941-1942)Goodman, Benny. The Indispensable Benny Goodman, Volumes 5/6 (1938-1939)Nichols, Red and Napoleon, Phil. Red Nichols and Phil NapoleonShaw, Artie. The Indispensable Artie Shaw, Volumes 5/6 (1944-1945).Hawkins, Erskine. The Complete Erskine Hawkins, Vol. 3-4 (1940-1941)Ellington, Duke. The Indispensable Duke Ellington, Volumes 11/12 (1944-1946)The Complete Original Dixieland Jazz bandWaller, Fats. The Indispensable Fats Waller, Volumes 9/10 (1936-1938)Dorsey, Tommy. The Indispensable Tommy Dorsey Vol. 7/8Williamson, Sonny Boy. Rare "Sonny Boy" 1937-1947 Hampton, Lionel. The Complete Lionel Hampton, Volumes 3/4 (1939)Newman, Joe. The Complete Joe Newman RCA Victor Recordings (1955-1956): "The Basie Days"Peterson, Oscar. The Complete Young Oscar Peterson (1945-1949)

Not so sure about the release dates of the LPs. No. 3 (Whiteman) - the lowest on hits list that I have - has a production (P) date of 1979 on the cover, No. 72 (T. Dorsey) - the highest No. I have - has a production (P) date of 1987. Which ties in with the 1983 catalog that Brownie mentions. Thanks so much for the photos and the info. Very much appreciated. The photos will do for now (I'll Photoshop around a bit). Again, thanks for checking up for me! I might be back with some other questions another day. I just have to put together the (little) info I have first.

If you knew the workings of PHP (programming language often used for these kinds of automated processes) you'd know that that is simply not possible. With hundreds of news items (if not thousands), scripts do not have the option of "don't put that single one there if it doesn't fit". They could be programmed that way, sure, but that would add a rat's tail of programming routines to cover all cases (if any editor or even just one had the possibility of editing this kind of stuff (I'm not saying there shouldn't be), the site would probably need thousands of lines of extra code (and be more buggy because of it). Yes, it's dumb, but isn't automation altogether, in many cases?

Jazz Tribune #3 Paul Whiteman 'Jazz à la King' (1920-1936) Jazz Tribune #12 The Memoirs of Willie 'The Lion' Smith Don't know about #66. I have a French RCA catalogue from 1983 that lists all the Jazz Tribune LPs up to #39. Email me your current adress and I'll part sadly with the catalogue (with the happy feeling that it will be in good hands!). The catalogue has vignette images (and track listings) of all the vinyls and cassettes releases. There does not seem to be many cassettes... I still have some of their twofer LPs although I preferred the previous French RCA Black and White single LPs. A splendid collection from producer Jean-Paul Guiter. A lot of research went into that series with excellent sound out of transfers from the original RCA Victor material). Never bothered with the Jazz Tribune CDs. Thanks for the info Guy. Sent you my address(es). No time for more right now, but I'll getback to you when I get a breather here. No problem. Yes, those CD reissues aren't great, but how many CDs out of a hundred are? Three? Two? None? I have several versions of several of these sessions to compare, and even on a better system there really are only marginal differences in many cases. For me it's often also a financial thing: These twofers - once I hunted around long enough for them - cost me a dollar or two plus postage whereas other -newer or older reissues of the same/similar material- cost many (!) times that. They're enough for me, especially for more of the "fringe" stuff that I don't need better copies of (Una Mae ... yes, don't shoot me, etc.)

I thought this was one of the most disappointing sets I've ever bought. Aside from the (seemingly paid-for ) reviews around the Net ... or from people who seemingly only listened to the box for three minutes to get their $5 for a review, I thought that the label didn't even partially manage to mine the potential of such a set. Although I absolutely hate all of those Amazon reviews, just head over to Amazon.com and read the first two reviews. IMHO, they are spot-on. Waste of money if you know your Hendrix (and have mined what's out there, legally and bootlegged). My .5 cents.

I'm not comparing LPs with CDs but CDs with CDs. The Newman material I have on those twofers isn't that much worse than the Mosaic; I also have the Glenn Miller Army stuff and can compare it to the (now OOP and really expensive) complete set. In both cases, the sound improvement is marginal, at best. Chalk it up to shitty CDs and much better LPs.

Nope, not me. I have had a look at it and it helped me with 5 or 6 of these. Thanks for looking at the LPs to see if they have more info. Hm. Maybe. Fact is, I have lots of this material in other formats and none were that (!) much better. Not worth investing all the money to get 5% better sound. I even thought the Joe Newman Mosaic didn't improve that (!) much on this material (The "Basie Days" RCA/BMG towfer) It must be my ears ... or my system (which I wouldn't call spectacularly bad) [Marantz, Dynaudio)

Hi everyone, I'm compiling a list of "Jazz Tribune" reissues (RCA/BMG France) and have a few questions for those of you who have either the LP reissues from the late 80s or the CD reissues from the middle 90s onwards. Am I correct in assuming, ... that the original reissues were published both as LPs and cassette tapes?that the LPs/cassettes are from around 1987/88 and the CDs from 1992 onwards?that there were 76 LPs/CDs reissued (first: "Hodges, Johnny and Davis, Wild Bill. Johnny Hodges and Wild Bill Davis, Volumes 1-2 (1965-1966)" and last "Peterson, Oscar. The Complete Young Oscar Peterson (1945-1949)") and that all of the LPs were in fact reissued as CDs as well (Hodges to Peterson), or were there more that weren't reissued on CD?that jazz reissues had black covers and (the few) blues reissues blue ones? Other questions: Even the most intensive research has not been able to unearth the contents of Jazz Tribune #3Jazz Tribune # 12Jazz Tribune #66 Right now I assume there were LP reissues with these numbers, but no CD reissues? Correct? In case anyone has any info on the 3 that I'm mssing in my list, does anyone have a cover scan of any of them (no matter what quality, as most of the ones I have are crappy to begin with (from Amazon and other sites, besides my own copies). Thanks for your help. P.S.: When done, I will publish the list on my website sometime in the future. Right now I've put the info I have together for myself because I was interested in what else was available since I have quite a few of these.

It was the tracklisting that made me buy this boxed set. I was actually at the concert (Slukefter, Copenhagen, May 21, 1979) and have fond memories of the evening, especially the hours after they (Ed and Teddy) wrapped up and sat down to talk to me and my dad, who had gotten us the tickets. As far as I recall, although I had to go to school the next day (the concert was on a weekday night, at the beginning of the week, I think), we stayed there until well past 1 or 2 o'clock at night until someone from the Tivoli team told us to get out or stay until they open again the following day.

I still love those "Jazz tribune" twofers. I bought a massive number a few years back - for "an apple and an egg" as we say around here - and they've been good to me. ... Nostalgia. *sigh*

Depends on how severely you want your ass kicked.

Yeah, I saw those as well as I was cruising FNAC (or some other site) for the new Chante du Monde sets. Universal is milking this series something fierce. The European Commission should be proud of them. These are the best milk cows Europe has seen in decades.

The problem re viruses etc. is not one of the machines but one of the incredibly stupid users sitting in front of them. A lot more PCs used worldwide = a lot more idiots in front of PCs. It's really that simple.

Thanks for the heads up. I'm still a huge fan of the "Trésors" series and am still really digging it a lot. Pity that other cheapos have dealt it a death blow. It wouldn't surprise me though if Francis and Schwartz are once again re-releasing the wealth of material they have remastered ... just in a new package with a new title. If it really is a history of jazz, I guess they're just going to take all/some/a selection from the Trésors, Piano Jazz, Big Band etc sets to present them in a new/different "sequence". I hope that will not be the case. Cheers!

Fine set, recommended. Yep, thanks. Got myself a copy because of your post here.

Welcome back!

Yeah, how totally idiotic. I was going to order the Jamal but, if they don't want me to ... :/