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Thank you! In these rather heated discussions re "smooth" vs. "normal" jazz the points you made tend to get lost. I have lots of smooth jazz albums. I don't listen to them much anymore (hardly ever, actually), but they were once an important step to re-entering the jazz world for me. I took the wildest detours to get back to where I started, but smooth jazz and fusion were instrumental in rekindling the flame, so to speak. What I don't like is the arrogance that usually comes along with trashing this kind of music. Often we forget that it is music, even if one would consider it muzak (for torso murderers) (1). I've always followed my instincts, and just as you, Jim, have said that there are things I like and lots of things I dislike. The latter I might make fun of at times (which basically also means making fun of myself), but I wouldn't write the stuff off as worthless. What's worthless, in my eyes (and I'm very opinionated when it comes to that), is criticism voiced by people who couldn't play two notes of the music they are trashing. I get very suspicious when that happens ... My 2 cents. (1) "Muzak for Torso Murderers" is the title of a short story. Because of the title, I read the story ... a long time ago

Hope this link works: RCA Waller Indispensable/Jazz Times Series In Europe (amazon.de) and the US (amazon.com) those are still readily available. They sometimes come with different titles (Jazz Times/Indispensable), but they are all double-CDs from essentially the same series (which was canned, sadly enough) which were released in the 90s. I have a whole ton (40 or 50?) from this series (Basie, Dorsey, Ellington Una Mae, Newman, Waller, and, and, and) and am very happy with them. Second-hand they are great value for my hard-earned money, especially since I was able to pick many of these up, over the years, for around $8 (all things come to those who wait). If the link doesn't work, enter "Indispensable" into the search field and many hits from this series will pop up.

By no means complete, but just to give those who didn't know an idea ... 1961 Axen, Bent 1961 - 64 Kirk, Roland: Rahsaan 1962 Moore, Brew: Svinget 14 1962 Powell, Bud: Bouncing With Bud 1962 Moseholm, Erik: Radiojazzgruppen 1962-66 1963 Ayler, Albert: My Name Is Albert Ayler 1963 Byas, Don: A Night In Tunesia 1963 Byas, Don: Anthropology 1963 Dorham, Kenny: Scandia Skies 1963 Dorham, Kenny: Short Story 1963 Glindemann, Ib: Ib Glindemanns orkester 1963 Shepp, Archie: The House I Live In 1964 Glindemann, Ib: Dragondance 1964 Gordon, Dexter: Billie's Bounce 1964 Gordon, Dexter: Chese Cake 1964 Gordon, Dexter: I Want More 1964 Gordon, Dexter: It's You Or No One 1964 Gordon, Dexter: Love For Sale 1964 Gordon, Dexter: One Flight Up 1964 Johnny Griffin/Art Taylor 1965 Alex Riel Trio 1965 Billberg, Rolf: Darn That Dream 1965 Radiojazzgruppen 1965 Radiojazzgruppen 1965 Smith, Stuff: Live At The Montmartre 1965 Webster, Ben: Black Lion Presents Ben Webster 1965 Webster, Ben: Gone With The Wind 1965 Webster, Ben: Live at The Jazzhus 1965 Webster, Ben: Stormy Weather 1965 Webster, Ben: There Is No Greater Love 1966 Biker, Pedro 1966 Drew, Kenny: Solo - Duo 1966 Ponty, Jean-Luc: Compact Jazz: Jean-Luc Ponty & Stéphane Grappelli 1966 Smith, Stuff: Hot Violins 1967 Gordon, Dexter: Body And Soul 1967 Gordon, Dexter: Both Sides Of Midnight 1967 Gordon, Dexter: Live! at the Jazzhus Montmartre 1967 Gordon, Dexter: Tenor Titans 1967 Gordon, Dexter: There Will Never Be Another You 1967 Griffin, Johnny: The Man I Love 1967 Mikkelborg, Palle: The Mysterious Corona 1968 Hawkins, Coleman. Masters Of Jazz Vol. 12: Coleman Hawkins 1968 Norddeutscher Rundfunk: Die Jazzwerkstatt '69 1968 Webster, Ben: Masters of Jazz Vol. 5: Ben Webster 1969 Danish Radio Big Band, The: Brownsville Trolley Line 1969 Hampton, Slide: The Fabulous Slide Hampton Quartet 1969 Webster, Ben: Plays Ballads 1969 Webster, Ben: The Ben Webster Quintet 1970 Krog, Karin: Some Other Spring 1970 Mangelsdorff, Albert: Room 1220 1970 Webster, Ben: No Fool, No Fun 1971 Heidelberg '72 1971 Herbolzheimer, Peter: My Kind Of Sunshine 1971 Herbolzheimer, Peter: Power Play 1971 Peterson, Oscar: Great Connection 1971 Peterson, Oscar: Swinging Cooperations (Reunion Blues / Great connection) 1973 Drew, Kenny: Duo. SteepleChase 1973 Herbolzheimer, Peter: Waitaminute 1973 Herbolzheimer, Peter: Wide open 1973 McLean, Jackie: A Ghetto Lullaby 1973 McLean, Jackie: The Source 1973 McLean, Jackie: The Meeting 1973 Peterson, Oscar: Oscar Peterson - Stéphane Grappelli Quartet 1973 Peterson, Oscar: The Trio 1973 Peterson, Oscar: The Good Life 1973 Shearing, George: Three Originals 1974 Albany, Joe: Two's Company 1974 Braxton, Anthony: In The Tradition Vol. 2 1974 Braxton, Anthony: In The Tradition Vol. 1 1974 Drew, Kenny: Duo 2 1974 Drew, Kenny: Duo Live In Concert 1974 Drew, Kenny: If You Could See Me Now 1974 Gordon, Dexter: Stable Mable 1974 Gordon, Dexter: Take The 'A' Train 1974 Gordon, Dexter: The Apartment 1974 Konitz, Lee: Jazz Juan 1974 Krog, Karin: You Must Believe In Spring 1974 Montoliu, Tete: Catalonian Fire 1974 Montoliu, Tete: Hot House 1974 Montoliu, Tete: Tete! 1974 Peterson, Oscar: History Of An Artist 1974 Peterson, Oscar: Oscar Peterson In Russia 1974 Thielemans, Toots: Live 1974 Thielemans, Toots: The Silver Collection: Toots Tielemans 1975 Basie, Count: Jam Session At Montreux 1975 1975 Drew, Kenny: Morning 1975 Eldridge, Roy: The Trumpet Kings At The Montreux Jazz Festival 1975 Ervin, Booker: Lament For Booker Ervin 1975 Gillespie, Dizzy: At the Montreux Jazz Festival 1975 1975 Gillespie, Dizzy: The Trumpet Kings At Montreux '75 1975 Gordon, Dexter: Bouncin' with Dex 1975 Gordon, Dexter: More Than You Know 1975 Gordon, Dexter: Something Different 1975 Gordon, Dexter: Strings & Things 1975 Gordon, Dexter: Swiss Nights Vol. 1 1975 Gordon, Dexter: Swiss Nights Vol. 2 1975 Gordon, Dexter: Swiss Nights Vol. 3 1975 Hansen, Ole Kock: Folkevise 1975 Marsh, Warne: Live At The Club Montmartre. Vol. 1 1975 Marsh, Warne: Live At The Club Montmartre. Vol. 3 1975 Marsh, Warne: The Unissued Copenhagen Studio Recordings 1975 Marsh, Warne: The Unissued 1975 Copenhagen Studio Recordings 1975 Marsh, Warne: Warne Marsh / Lee Konitz: Volume 2 1975 Marsh, Warne: Warne Marsh / Lee Konitz: Volume 1 1975 Marsh, Warne: Warne Marsh / Lee Konitz: Volume 3 1975 Parlan, Horace: No Blues 1975 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted: Jaywalkin' 1975 Peterson, Oscar: At the Montreux Jazz Festival 1975 1975 Sims, Zoot and Eddie 'Lockjaw' Davis: The Tenor Giants 1976 Gordon, Dexter: Lullaby For A Monster 1976 Gruntz, George: The Band/Recorded live at the Schauspielhaus 1976 Herbolzheimer, Peter: Jazz Gala Concert '77 All Star Big Band 1976 Iron Office: Iron Office 1976 Montoliu, Tete: Tête a Tête 1976 Montoliu, Tete: The Words Of Love 1976 Montoliu, Tete: Tootie's Tempo 1976 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted: Double Bass 1976 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted: Pictures 1976 Solal, Martial: Movability 1976 Sulieman, Idrees: Bird's Grass 1976 Whigham, Jiggs: Hope 1977 Carter, Benny: Montreux 77 1977 Drew, Kenny: In Concert 1977 Eldridge, Roy: Montreux 77 1977 Getz, Stan: Live At Montmartre 1977 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted: Trio 1 1977 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted: Trio 2 1977 Peterson, Oscar: Montreux '77 1977 Peterson, Oscar: Montreux '77 1977 Peterson, Oscar: Oscar Peterson and the Bassists 1977 Tchicai, John: Real Tchicai 1977 Ziegler, Finn: Live At La Fontaine 1978 Danish Radio Big Band, The: By Jones, I Think We've Got It 1978 Jones, Thad: A Good Time Was Had By All 1978 Leth, Max: Quartet 1978 Pass, Joe: Chops 1978 Peterson, Oscar: The Paris Concert 1978 Raney, Doug: Cuttin' Loose 1978 Sims, Zoot: Zoot Sims In Copenhagen 1978 Solal, Martial: Suite For Trio 1978 - 80 Kühn, Rolf: Rolf Kühn 1979 Baker, Chet: Daybreak 1979 Baker, Chet: No Problem 1979 Baker, Chet: Someday My Prince Will Come 1979 Baker, Chet: The Touch Of Your Lips 1979 Baker, Chet: This Is Always 1979 Dørge, Pierre: Ballad Round The Left Corner 1979 Grappelli, Stéphane: Compact Jazz: Stéphane Grappelli 1979 Grappelli, Stéphane: Tivoli Gardens, Copenhagen, Denmark 1979 Grappelli, Stéphane: Young Django 1979 Herbolzheimer, Peter: Jazz Gala Concert '79 1979 Jordan, Duke: Change A Pace 1979 Jordan, Duke: Thinking Of You 1979 Kühn, Rolf: Symphonic Swampfire 1979 Lockwood, Didier: New World 1979 Maria, Tania: Tania Maria & Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen 1979 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted: Dancing On The Tables 1979 Peterson, Oscar: Digital in Montreux 1979 Peterson, Oscar: Skol 1980 Asmussen, Svend: Prize Winners 1980 Drew, Kenny: Afternoon In Europe 1980 Gustafsson, Rune: Just The Way You Are 1980 Peterson, Oscar: Live At The Northsea Jazz Festival, The Hauge, Holland 1980 1980 Shearing, George: Getting In The Swing Of Things 1980 Shepp, Archie: Looking At Bird 1980 Thielemans, Toots: Live In The Netherlands 1981 Basie, Count: Basie And Friends 1981 Basie, Count: Kansas City Six 1981 Peterson, Oscar: Nigerian Marketplace 1982 Ferré, Boulou: Trinity 1982 Hubbard, Freddie: Face To Face 1982 Montoliu, Tete: Face To Face 1982 Pass, Joe: Eximious 1982 Peterson, Oscar: Freedom Song 1983 Clausen, Thomas: The Shadow of Bill Evans 1983 Drew, Kenny: And Far Away 1983 Drew, Kenny: Fantasia 1983 Drew, Kenny: Swingin' Love, Baystate 1983 Jazz At The Philharmonic: Return To Happiness.JATP At Yoyogi National Stadium, Tokyo 1983 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted: The Viking 1983 Peterson, Oscar: A Tribute To My Friends 1983 Peterson, Oscar: If You Could See Me Now 1984 Drew, Kenny: Trippin' 1984 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted: The Eternal Traveller 1985 Alexander, Monty: Threesome 1985 Davis, Miles: Aura 1985 DeFranco, Buddy: Buddy DeFranco Meets the Oscar Peterson Quartet 1985 DeFranco, Buddy: Hark 1986 Doky, Niels Lan: Here Or There 1986 Doky, Niels Lan: The Target 1986 Mikkelborg, Palle: Heart To Heart 1987 Doky, Niels Lan: Daybreak 1987 Drew, Kenny: Dream 1987 Hjulmand, Louis: Play with us 1987 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted and Allan Botschinsky: Duolouge 1988 Crona, Claes: With A Little Help From My Friends 1988 Drew, Kenny: Impressions 1988 Gustafsson, Rune: String Along With Basie 1988 Hansen, Ole Kock: Jazz på Nordisk 1988 Møller, Lars: Copenhagen Groove 1989 Catherine, Philip: Spanish Nights 1989 Doky, Niels Lan: Friendship 1989 Drew, Kenny: Recollections 1989 Krog, Karin: Something Borrowed ... Something New 1990 Bley, Paul: Paul Bley / NHØP 1990 Geller, Herb: Birdland Stomp 1990 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted: Hommage/Once Upon A Time 1991 Catherine, Philip: Art Of The Duo 1991 Drew, Kenny: Standards Request Live At The Keystone Korner 1991 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted: Uncharted Land 1992 Drew, Kenny: At The Brewhouse 1992 Grappelli, Stéphane: 1992 Live 1992 Lagrene, Bireli: Standards 1992 Metz, Henrik: Henrik Metz 1992 Suonsaari, Klaus: True Colours 1993 Doky, Niels Lan: Misty Dawn 1993 Goldschmidt, Per: Frankly 1993 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted: Ambiance 1993 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted: Scandinavian Wood 1993 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted: To A Brother 1994 Haynes, Roy: My Shining Hour 1994 Petrucciani, Michel: Concert Inédits. Duo Live 1995 Hyman, Dick: Elegies Mostly 1995 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted: Friends Forever 1995 Sweden Bass Orchestra: Sweden Bass Orchestra 1996 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted: Those Who Were 1996 Peterson, Oscar: A Tribute To Oscar Peterson 1996 Peterson, Oscar: Live In Paris 1996 Peterson, Oscar: Meets Roy Hargrove and Ralph Moore 1996 Peterson, Oscar: Oscar in Paris - Live at the Salle Pleyel 1997 Pedersen, Niels-Henning Ørsted: This Is All I Ask 1997 Peterson, Oscar: Oscar in Paris 1999 Miller, Mulgrew: The Music Of Duke Ellington & Jimmy Blanton 1998 Peterson, Oscar: A Summer Night in Munich 1999 Time Immemorial. Tribute To Stephane Grappelli 1999 Suonsaari, Klaus: The Music Of Tom Harrell 2000 Avitabile, Franck: Right Time

This came as a complete shock. It's not long ago that I had heard that he had some health problems, but I would never have expected this. Some contacts confirm that it was a heart attack. Niels-Henning was the musician I saw live the most, bar none. He was a great man, a pleasure to be around with, in short, a true gentleman (and he had a tremendous sense of humor). Of all the very sad losses these past months and years, this one hit home the most. It closes a chapter for me, really.

Hey! Clark Terry does "Mumbles" (Song 5). Thanks for the link!

You mean I added to the size, err, length? Damn.

David Stone Martin. Next to Alex Steinweiss my favorite cover designer.

Thanks! I have no idea who it is, but I thought the colors were kinda cool.

Oh, I can read. Hence, no comment.

Wow. Ours is bigger than theirs. Again, err, wow.

I've had my eyes on one of these for a long time now, but unfortunately with a decent arm and cartridge it is (still) beyond my financial capabilities. I've had a chance to check this TT out and I have to admit that the absolute rave reviews this one got in most German magazines (the ones that know what they are talking about) were more than justified. Great equipment. I love the simplicity of it. As far as I understand, the motor is basically constantly running, right?

Hmm. I've got the RCA box (if it is the one pictured below we are talking about) and I'm surprised about the statement that the sound on the French issues is supposed to be so much better. The way this was phrased, those must have been remastered considerably because the sound on the RCA box is damn good? *confused*

This sounds like it's going to be one great CD. Am looking forward to it very much!

You're much too nice for a non-EU person. Use your gut instinct next time.

I saw her live a week or two ago. I was not impressed at all. I had hoped for something more original in a live setting, but ... nope. I don't want to trash it because many people really liked it, and the reviews were quite decent, but it left me absolutely cold. I saw Holly Cole in the same place just about a year before and THAT was a pretty good live concert. In comparison, it was a stellar concert. This was just, err, boooooooring. I'll check her out again in about twenty years.

But otherwise you're ok, right?

It very much sounds like that the mail read didn't get flagged properly on the server. In that case, the suggestion above regarding the deletion of files via a browser interface seems to be the way to go. If it's a problem with Outlook Express (bat shit is virtually synonymous with that programme), it might be an idea to find the folder which stores the OE settings, copy those to a new location (backup) and then delete each and every file. I only work with Outlook (the big brother), but if I do that, Outlook then generates a new set of startup files which should eliminate the problem. And, if it screws everything up, copy the backed-up files back, and you're back to ... receiving tons of already read mail. P.S.: I don't know which folder holds those OE files, but googling for OE problems should turn up an answer in any one of the three trillion hits google spews across the screen(s).

I'm more with Wolff. If I enjoy something, and I get something out of it for myself for my very own private reasons, I don't really need anyone to gratuitiously tell me that it's not really that good. That reminds me of a Peanuts strip: Lucy waltzes into Linus's room and seeing that he's having a grand time playing with some toys, she runs over to him, grabs everything and leaves the room, uttering "Mine, mine, mine!" On a departing note, she tosses a rubber band over to Linus before slamming the door. In three panels we then see Linus really getting into the rubber band, having a great time ... and the door flies open, Lucy rushes in again, snatches the rubber band away and says "You weren't supposed to have that much fun". There's too much of this in jazz criticism lately. Most of it is enlightening, but often it also seems to me that some of this is attempting to take the fun out of jazz. Maybe it's a generational issue? P.S.: This is not aimed at Chuck Nessa's comment, which I thought was absolutely valid (and true). It's just a general observation.

Thanks, nice to be here ... although it's this board's fault that I spend too much of my hard-earned money.

*growl* Don't make it sound that good ...

Thanks everyone for the input. Nice to see that there are many people (not only) here who love these recordings as much as I do. @Chuck Nessa. I thought a lot about what you wrote, and of course you are right. You can easily find me raving about many of the other sessions I have in my collection, but what I was trying to get across was that, yes, these 5 CDs have become my very own holy grail of live recordings - amongst the many I have. I did not intend to say that they are, in regard to quality, above (or below) other recordings I have, but that over the many years I've had these and in my very own little world, they have become the best live recording because of the consistency across 5 discs. On top of that, these recordings are good in any setting. Many of the others I have are not. They only offer themselves when I'm in the right mood or when I feel contemplative, for example.

A search on this board turns up quite a few favourable reviews (to say the least) and I'd like to dedicate a thread to these live recordings (I hope my search hasn't missed any thread already started). I have thousands of CDs, but these five have become desert island material and have held up over the years. I went through my collection for three days this weekend, reorganizing stuff, and when pulling these 5 CDs out, once again they became the soundtrack for all the work I put into my collection, sorting out, rearranging, etc. To be quite honest, the work was actually interrupted when I started listening to this music once again, because I tried to listen out for things that make me like this set - above all else, really. First of all, the 5 CDs I have are quite old already, but the sound quality is already superb. Secondly, the musical quality across all 5 CDs is astonishingly consistent. One could argue that one or another CD is a bit weaker, but I won't even get into that. The set captures the live atmosphere brilliantly, the programme has me riveted every time, and the playing is just top-notch. Last, but not least, I always feel elated when I listen to this stuff. It's just like medicine on a bad day and a superbly mixed cocktail on a good day. You can play this music at any time, again and again, and just enjoy it. Although I have many recordings/sessions I enjoy equally much or maybe even more, I do NOT have any live material that is as good as the recordings on these 5 CDs. Just brilliant. One could spend hours analyzing this stuff, but I won't. It moves me and makes me feel good, and that's as much analysis as I need. Call me lazy, if you like. Chime in, please.

Besides all the arguments listed above, there is that one factor that pushed me over the edge. It is that inexplicable collector thing, you know, the gotta-have- factor. The ones I have - and I don't have a fraction of what other members have amassed - are boxes to be treasured, things you can show off to people who DON'T HAVE THEM - - - HA! - and an investment that says "money well spent". I collect books as well. Mosaic boxes have the same qualities as some of my favourite limited edition books. Most importantly, Mosaic boxes are made by people who care and by people who know their stuff. I'd rather buy boxes from those people than from outfits who cram CDs in boxes which are too tight or into boxes which start to rust while you're looking at them. Mosaic cares.

I'd love to have both the Desmond and the Defranco, but not at those shipping rates. Out of necessity, I often order books from the States, but the postage/s&h charged by the publishers is often totally outrageous. I know packages to Europe aren't cheap, but $25 - $40 depending on where/whom you order from simply means that they have no interest in doing business on a global scale. So, thanks, but no thanks. I'll pick the books up second hand somewhere, if they should become available, from someone who calculates rates realistically. I know of at least two (small) publishing houses who have, for many years, supplied me with many more books at a fraction of the cost Parkside ( ) and others are asking.

Now reading ...: Amiri Baraka on Collier, Crouch, et. al. Interesting.