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Not sure about that. It's been 44 years since the Beatles hit in 1964. 44 years before that was 1920. Don't know that our parents/grandparents looked back as fiercely on Al Jolson or Bing Crosby or whatever as my generation does on the classic rock era. I agree with the comment that rock music has been in a 35 year decline. Some touchstones: 1 - the death of 60's idealism (think Charles Manson and Altamont) and the ascendancy of Cocaine in the rock world, which destroyed the populist aspects of the rock experience. Granted, much of the 60's idealism was a fairy tale, but it was a fairy tale with an awesome soundtrack. 2 - the firing of Clive Davis by Columbia. They were a very daring company in the late 60's, as was Warner/Reprise. A lot of great albums got made then by those companies which would not be today 3 - the ascendancy of the singer/songwriters and country rock groups on one hand and the hard rock/heavy metal groups on the other, which polarized rock music and made other styles a niche. 4 - The AOR format, which eliminated the free-form FM format on one hand and trivialized AM top 40 playlists on the other hand. 5 - The elimination of the ability of independant labels to break new music regionally and have it go national based on merit. 6 - Punk and Disco, which seemed at the time to immediately turn everything before it into dinasours. Granted, a lot of it had become fossilized prior to that, opening the doors for Punk and Disco. 7 - MTV was damaging on one hand, because the visuals became more important than the music in a lot of ways, and because it made it even more impossible for niche/local music to ascend to national status. On the other hand, there was a return to a focus on individual songs rather than albums for a brief time, and I would argue that the early-mid 80's were by far the strongest pop period of the last 35 years, even though much of the production sounds dated now. The writing was stronger than it had been in some time, and much much stronger than it has been since then. But MTV eventually led to the Britney's and Xtina's, via Madonna. Madonna had much musical merit at time, but that seems but a small part of her legacy, and much of the rest of that legacy has been pretty damaging on a lot of levels. 8 - Rap, while some has merit, further dumbed down a lot of musical values in many cases. I have to smile here, as my parents would say the same about rock, but there it is. 9 - There is still some good music to be heard on adult alternative rock stations (we have one of the best in the country, WXPN, here in Philly. David Dye's World Cafe originates from WXPN), but even there, the format is more rigid than we might wish, though a lot looser than on "for profit" commercial stations. 10 - When's that last time there was really something "new" of great value in music to draw the masses? Also, when's the last time a group seemed to grab the spirit of the populace the way groups like U2 or Big Country did in the 80's, and so many did in the 60's? Just some ramblings from a 53 year old on his lunch break, this is by necessity overly simplistic, but maybe will raise some good discussion points.

Can anyone comment on the Klaus Doldinger? How good is it?

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PM sent on the Alexander/Herring, Rich Perry, and the Trio of Doom. My last trade with Fab ended up going very well.

Well that's a first!

I believe I have 17, and I count another five that I have had at one time or another but have sent on to new homes. The Getz Dynasty session is great, and I'm really glad to see it on there. Rene Thomas, Eddie Louiss, a drummer named Bernard Lubat, wonderful stuff and totally unlike anything else in his catalog. This set, I think from a Woolworth's cutout bin when I was in college, was my introduction to Louiss and Thomas, and the first Getz I ever actually owned. Louiss is the star of the show in many ways, though Getz and Thomas both shine.

Hi Actually I'm not to keen on The Muir Woods CD. I play it very seldom. For me it's not really GD but more like an experiment.... /Shaft Could you give us a little more detail? Does George improvise on Muir Woods? Are the strings used in an ambitious way, or more just for background color? What is is about Muir Woods that does not work in your view? Hi again, Strings are used very ambitious way. It is in parts almost "classical" music - kind of "Arty". Some parts are more piano-driven and more jazzy, but I like GD when it swings and make me wanna move, tap my foot etc. When I want to hear classical I put on Beethoven. Here is a link to Amazon. It can be optained for under $3 so if interested please don't hesitate. Muir Woods on Amazon /Shaft Thanks for the information. 1 - I Like Muir Woods a LOT, but don't think funky GD - it isn't. But it does show his chops as a pianist and is a good listen start to finish. 2 - I agree with the Zawinul criticisms. From Black Market on, I found him largely unlistenable, and I understand the childre singing in native tongue reference and especially don't like that sound. 3 - Jim A., the Duke box is available through Caiman on Amazon Marketplace for a lot less than what Dusty Groove is charging, if I remember correctly. I ordered it earlier today for $41.85 + $2.98 shipping. 4 - Jim S., these Duke albums have a rich harmonic palate and are rife with colorful keyboard textures. Whatever Zappa influence that is there is the "Waka Jawaka" and "Grand Wazoo" jazzy good-Frank, not the punk bad-Frank you wanted to send to his room. 5 - Hello "Helen". I recognized you by your drummer discussion. Always fussing about drummers! You're spot on about Zawinul. 6 - I don't find Duke from the period in question really comparable to Zawinul or Hancock, rather into something very different altogether, and quite well done and valuable, even 35 years later.

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No reason to get excited The thief he kindly spoke There are many here among us Who feel that life is but a joke But you and I we've been through that And this is not our fate So let us not talk falsely now The hour's getting late

PM sent on the following: Richie Cole "Pure Madness" (Alto Madness and Hollywood Madness) 2 CDs $15 The Johnny Otis Rhythm and Blues Caravan 3 CDs $15 Little Jimmy Scott The Savoy Years and More 3 CDs $15 Dizzy Gillespie Odyssey (1945- 1952) 3 CDs Small tear on spine $10 Billy Eckstine "The Legendary Big Band" 2 CDs Sealed $10

"One Fine Morning"...they were from Toronto, I think. Forgot about them. A little more pop than jazz for my taste, but there were parts of their first LP, I think (the one with the reflective silver cover...just like If's first LP as well), that had some nice moments. Lighthouse did a fun "Eight Miles High" on their live album. They were from Canada for sure, Toronto sounds right. Skip Prokop, who had been in the Paupers (shoulda woulda coulda been 60's psych stars if their bass player hadn't blown up at the Monterey Popfest), was the leader. If were fabulous for sure, but to me they and the other British bands with horns were doing a very different thing than the American groups, more reeds and keyboards and prog and cerebral, less brass and flash and bluster, so there isn't a direct comparison to really be made. Dick Morrissey had apparently been a well-respected jazz sax player in England prior to forming If. Anything our friends from there can add about Morrissey, especially his pre-If work, would be greatly appreciated.

Horn Band Mania! A brief moment in the evolution of American Popular Music, lasting roughly from when BS&T hit big thru about the time Elton John hit big. Brought to us by Al Kooper, 'Child is Father To The Man' is the first (and one of the best) I remember in the genre.

I have the first album and always liked it. But then I also like the first seven Chicago albums, the first five Blood, Sweat, and Tears albums, both Ides of March ("Vehicle") albums, Sons of Champlin, etc.

Unfair. Prove this. I haven't deleted any posts. I have had business dealings (sold to) with Tom for a number of years and he pays his bills. Never met him. Please don't add any other baggage to that relationship or the board. I do find it "unseemly" he only posts sales here, but since I have taken advantage of a couple of his offers I can't bitch. Tom's a good guy, and I'm glad he's here. I agree that it would be nice to have him share his thoughts with us on the music, as he is certainly very knowledgeable, but I am glad he posts what he does here, and have had many good experiences exchanging CD's with him.

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Hi, I have an extra of the Ella Fitzgerald Complete Songbooks set available. 16 CD's, and the most spectacular packaging I have ever seen in a CD box set. All in excellent condtion. $90 + $5 US shipping (will ship overseas for additional amount) or will trade for something/things interesting of equivalent value. PM if interested.

It's the closest thing to a classic CTI album Tyner ever made. Title track is pretty great. Sorry, didn't mean to imply the Tyner was uninspired. I meant the re-issues, as everything has been on CD once and generally several times. Totally agree with you. And "classic CTI album" is damning with faint praise when it comes to 70's Tyner, which was my meaning. Except for the title track, the Tyner underachieves (and is uninspired) considering what he was capable of in that period.

It's the closest thing to a classic CTI album Tyner ever made. Title track is pretty great.

Wish some place would/could sell the 'On The Corner' box for less than $80. The others were all available from BMG and Yourmusic, so many of us already got them at bargain rates.

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