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And that's with this note: Maybe it's time to get out the ol' saw! ←

Thad Jones / Mel Lewis MOSAIC ---> more than $500,00

A quick view (from Duke Ellington panorama website): Creole Love Call [Adelaide Hall, vocal] 26oct27 Victor 21137 M2:16 C27-28:2 RCA:1/6 JTB:3 Creole Love Call [medley] 3feb32 Victor L-16006 SR:3 C31-32:11c RCA:6/6c RCA:6/7c Creole Love Call [medley] 3feb32 RCA 741085 AT3:4c Creole Love Call 11feb32 Brunswick 20105 C31-32:18 Creole Love Call jun43 DETS2/1:21 Creole Love Call [incomplete] 1dec43 Circle CLP-104 TrWld:2/24 Creole Love Call [incomplete] 1dec43 Circle CLP-104 TrWld:2/25 Creole Love Call 1dec43 V-Disc 415 C42-44:18 TrWld:2/26 VD:1/9 Creole Love Call [Kay Davis, vocal] 19dec44 CH4412:1/3 Creole Love Call [Kay Davis, vocal] 7apr45 DETS1/1:4 Creole Love Call [Kay Davis, vocal] 14apr45 DETS1/2:7 Creole Love Call [Kay Davis, vocal] 4aug45 DETS 17 DETS9:2/12 Creole Love Call [Kay Davis, vocal] 13nov48 VJC 1024-2 CH4811:1/10 Creole Love Call [Kay Davis, vocal] 10dec48 Corn1:11 Creole Love Call [Kay Davis, vocal] 1sep49 Up-to-Date 2003 AT10:15 Creole Love Call [Kay Davis, vocal] 1sep49 Columbia 38606 C49-50:2 CoCo:3/3 EsCo:2/15 Creole Love Call 24nov52 Birdland:17 Creole Love Call 30apr53 Stardust 203 HBD:1/6 Creole Love Call 7-8feb56 Bethlehem BCP-60 HS:2 Creole Love Call 29oct58 Alhambra:2b Creole Love Call [medley] 14nov58 Munich:2b Creole Love Call [medley] 9aug59 Roulette 828637-2 BN:2/10b Creole Love Call [medley] 20sep59 Byg YX-2035 P59:1b Creole Love Call [medley] 22jul60 Unique Jazz 27 HSD:6b Creole Love Call 23feb63 Reprise R-6234 GPC:2/7 Creole Love Call [medley] 29mar64 Jazz Unlimited 322 CH6403:1/2b Creole Love Call 10may66 RCA LPM-3576 RCA:22/11 Pop:11 Creole Love Call 27jul66 Verve Cote:2/2.2 Creole Love Call 29jul66 Verve Cote:6/1.2 Creole Love Call [medley] 28sep68 A Vision AMLY-8029 Mex:2a Creole Love Call 25may73 MP Ell-87 RugJun:10 Creole Love Call 1dec73 RCA APL1-1023 RCA:24/10 L&R:1/2

Maybe this is common knowledge but... does anyone know which is the first jazz concert ever recorded? (considering live broadcasts and without considering them) Thanks in advance! Agustín

Just received this from the RedHotJazz mailing list:

IMHO, the first disc IS a great disc. But NOT the second one.

You´re totally right, Allen. There´s no getting away from your point on Albums vs 78 rpm recordings of that era. But take into account that our list is supposed to be a "recommended CD shopping cart for newcomers". We could have recommended some good jazz compilations (such as your upcoming 36 CD package will be), but which would our work have been in that case? As Michael Fitzgerald stated, from a track-by-track compilation, the newbie can start his collection, getting more discs from leaders, sidemen, composers, labels... in his/her own way. We try to go one step further: we give them 25 + 40 "supposedly good discs" of jazz as a starting point. Regards, Agustín PS: reading my last two lines... they may sound a bit pedantic. As I said before, ours was a very modest project, far from being a "Jazz Bible for Spaniards"

And thanks to Chuck, Cayetano, Flurin and Guy for taking the time to compare the list with their collections. All I can say is that I have a very big hole in my collection re jazz after 1965. God knows I´ve tried, but the more I buy 70-80-90-00´s jazz, the more I like.... Ellington & Tatum. (yes, I have a problem, I know: being only 34, I am an old-timer...)

Thanks, Chuck. After some "destructive" comments, we NEEDED that!

Thanks for your comments, Paul. Bechet, as one of the first great improvisors in jazz (if not the first) was about to be included in the main list, but finally Bix was included, because we wanted to give a vision of early jazz as wide as possible, and Bix&Tram offered a very different approach, germ of what would become the "cool" style. And Django IS included in the "runners-up" list.

Hi, Allen! I think the goal of our list (helping a Spanish novice to start building his jazz collection) is too humble to be "destructive and even offensive" and "to re-enforce certain misconceptions about artistic cause and effect and historical order". Seriously. Anyway, thanks for chimin´ in. All comments are highly welcome. Best wishes, Agustín PS: I´ve just started your book, "That devilin´ tune" (which, btw, looks like a very interesting reading), and after your introduction, now I understand your "destructive" comments on our list better.

Mike: Thanks for sharing your enlightening comments publicly. I also agree with some of your statements, but you should take into account the goal of this list. It´s not a "best of" list, but a starting point for a novice. And I think that, as a starting point, a list of CDs is as good as any of your recommendations (a tune-by-tune list or a book of jazz history). In fact, I started with all this options at once. And, with a perspective of more than ten years, all of them were helpful to start building my jazz collection. As for the rest of your comments, I think Fernando has already replied with some interesting points, much better than I could do. Best wishes, Agustín

Marsalis and Jarrett... for brownie´s jazzical world, we´ve stepped into marshy ground! (now seriously, I appreciate your comments, and specially your effort to analize disc by disc and musician by musician and bring alternatives)

That devilin´ tune: A jazz history, 1900-1950 by our fellow member Allen Lowe.

But you can´t avoid considering the neo-bop/neoclassicism/whatever thing. It´s also an important part of the last 25 years. Be sure that Jorge LG, who was the person in charge of this period (though all of us has discussed and helped in every decade), is the guy with the most open-minded, wide, profound, clear and personal vission of the last 30 years in jazz that I´ve ever met. And this is not shameless promotion!

Be sure it took us a lot of work and discussion to compile this list. Much more than writing the introductions to each period, and the reviews to the 65 discs. And I appreciate your input. I hope your Spanish is being improved with this article...

We have avoided those kind of labels (Definitive et al). An as for the official Decca/GRP 3 CD set, we tried to include the least more-than-one-cd choices as possible. That´s why you have the complete Hot 5&7, but not the complete Basie on Decca. See my reply to Aggie87 for other criteria in the selection of the pre-LP-era discs.

Hey, Flurin! Have you checked the "Runners-up" list? The selection is 25 "Essentials" plus 40 "Complementaries". All of your choices (in bold letters) are in the second list. . Well, maybe you know that, but still want to include these three in the top-25.

Uptown's Bob Sunenblick and I (to a lesser degree) have been chasing this for many years. Lots of info, lots of dead ends and a bunch of stuff unconfirmed by circumstance. We are "on the case"! ← That would be another "Release of the Year" (release of the decade?) on your counter, Chuck!

Believe me, there was a lot of discussion on this subject for the first decades of the history of jazz. We balanced from using chronologically sequenced collections (like the Classics), complete collections recorded for a label from a period (like a "Complete XXX-Label 19xx-19xx recordings") or compilations with a maximum covered period of 10 years (Hawkins was in another league for the high average quality of his vast and chronologically extended recorded output). And we ended up using... all of them. In each case we analized multiple factors (from sound quality and remastering, to easy availability or representativity of a period of that artist). If there was a body of recordings such as Ellington´s RCA Blanton-Webster band or Satchmo´s Hot 5&7, so absolutely essential all in all, we picked a more than 1 CD collection. If there was a single chronological disc containing such ammount of master works from an artist to be representative enough, we took it (i.e. Lion´s Classics disc). As for compilations such as Hawkins´, Bessie´s, Django´s or Billie´s, we cared so much for the accuracy of the tracks selected. There´s a lot of work in a project like this... if it´s faced seriously. It´s easy to list 25+40 good jazz recordings (all of us can do it in fifteen minutes). But it´s not so easy if the compilation takes into account a lot of facts (balance between artists, styles and decades, sound quality, package and liner notes, availability). Just a clue on how we faced it: it took us three or four months of work and discussion and about 700 emails. Of course you could have chosen different discs. Jazz is diversity. Best wishes, Agustín Pérez

BTW, I hope that, in the main page of the article, you have clicked on each decade to see a brief introduction of it, a review of the six/seven "essential" recordings, and a brief review of the ten "additional" recordings. This makes 25+40=65 discs. Otherwise you´d question where on hell is Bud Powell or Dizzy Gillespie or Sonny Rollins...

Please, DO!

Please, feel free to bring your comments on the selection.

With many thanks to Pachi Tapiz, site administrator of Tomajazz, and thanks to the inexhaustible work of Fer Urbina, editor of this project, we have finally finished our selection of 25 of the most representative discs in the first century of jazz. Here´s the brief English introduction in the main page of this article, which perfectly sums up the goal of our project. I find interesting to point out that this is a compilation mainly recommended for newbies, specially for the first decades of 20th Century: a simple starting point to a jazz collection. A jazz collection as much wide, diverse and open-minded as possible. 25 DISCOS DE JAZZ: UNA GUÍA ESENCIAL

Thanks a lot, kh1958 !!!