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Bill is also on Lou's "Fried buzzard" and Houston Person's "Wildflower". MG

And also Rodney Jones' "Right now", with Will Boulware. And Earland's sessions for Ozzie Cadena's Choice label. And others not too numerous to mention but too numerous to remember all at once, I'm pretty sure. George has done a fair amount of organ stuff. MG

So there is. I always forget that track. MG

More good calls, Niko! Mg

isn't there a howard mcghee album with organ ("nobody knows you when you're down and out")? Dunno that one (mcpherson is also on another patterson album, funk you Yes forogt that - good callbut maybe that's it, or is he on some early 70s Mainstream album with organ...) not sure - a bell is ringing, but not sure isn't donald byrd on the lou bennett jazz in paris disc (only as an arranger? i always skip the first half of the disc and proceed to the trio tracks...) another I forgot - and he does play on it. James Anderson is the JA... he also plays on a Gloria Coleman album and on Jimmy Ponder's Jump (and afaik he didn't record otherwise so afaik he always recorded with organ) abercrombie recorded with organ quite a bit afaik (at least one jeff palmer cd and he also recorded a number of albums under his own name with dan wall on ecm (four or five i guess) never heard of either of those guys. maybe Booker Ervin with Don Patterson counts... quite a few LPs - but also with Larry Young on a Prestige session. I've commented in bold above. Some good ones I forgot there MG

And many more of them! MG

"Kirk's work" is the original. "Funk underneath" was the reissue title. MG

Hah! A few more Lem Winchester on Jack McDuff's "Tough Duff". Richie Cole on Don Patterson's "Movin' up" Oh, wasn't Hutcherson also on a Joey De Francesco album a year or so back? Didn't get that one. MG

For all his commercial activities, I think Donald Byrd only made one album with an organ player: his own album "I'm tryin' to get home", which featured Freddie Roach. Of course, Byrd wasn't a sideman, so maybe that doesn't count. Purely as a sideman, I suspect Ray Crawford's appearance on Lou Donaldson's "Possum head" was his only recording with an organ. Was Grant Green's "Grantstand" Yusef Lateef's only recording with an organist? Piano players don't usually work with organists, but Gene Harris made 3 albums with an organist. Mel Rhyne - Organizing - Jazzland Gene Harris - In his hands and Down home blues (both with Jack McDuff) - Concord Jazz. Of course, one shouldn't overlook Ben Webster's appearance on Groove Holmes' "Groove" for PJ. I think Freddie Hubbard only recorded once with an organist (Earland's "Leaving this planet"). Jesse Powell only made one album with an organist; Billy Butler's "Night life", with Johnny "Hammond" Smith. Kalaparusha (Maurice McIntyre) was on George Freeman's "Birth sign",which featured Robert Pierce on organ on the tracks on which McIntyre played. Howard McGhee and Charles McPherson both played on Don Patteron's "Boppin' & burnin'" - and that must surely have been their only outing with an organist. I can't recall Bobby Hutcherson being on any other organ albums than John Patton's "Let 'em roll" and Grant Green's "Street of dreams" Or Hank Mobley on any others than "I want to hold your hand" by Grant Green and "Good move" by Freddie Roach. And weren't those four albums Elvin made with Larry Young and Grant Green his only efforts with organ? John Stubblefield appeared on Sonny Phillips' "I concentrate on you". Bobby Jones, a tenor player in the early seventies Mingus band, was on Bobby Pierce's "Introducing Bobby Pierce" on Cobblestone. I suspect Kenny Rampton's only appearance with an organist was on Charles Earland's "Unforgettable". Jimmy Smith's "Damn!" had a raft of hornmen who don't usually appear with organists: Roy Hargrove, Nicholas Payton, Abraham Burton, Ron Blake, Mark Turner and Tim Warfield. Nestor Torres played flute on Jimmy Smith's "Black cat". The politically unfortunate Tariq Shah played bass on Irene Reid's "Movin' out", which featured Bobby Forrester on organ. Freddie Roach's "My people (soul people)" is another with a bunch of people whose names don't usually appear on organ albums: Kiani Zawadi, Roland Alexander, Henry Wright and James Anderson (was this the guy for whom Patton names is album "This one's for JA"?). Oh, I see Tim Warfield also appeared on Shirley Scott's "A walkin' thing", which also featured Terrell Stafford. Sonny Stitt's "Deuces wild", with Don Patterson on organ, also had guest appearances from Robin Kenyatta and Rufus Harley. A few other odd ones have appeared on Stitt organ albums: Nicky Hill on "Move on over" (Eddie Buster organ) Bennie Green on "My main man" (Bobby Buster) (Surprised I can't find more of him with an organ) Bunky Green on "Soul in the night" (Odell Brown) Julian Priester and Bennie Maupin were both on Lonnie Smith's "Turning point". John Abercrombie played guitar on Lonnie Smith's 2 sessions of Hendrix music - "Purple haze" & "Foxy lady" as well as his Coltrane tribute "Afro blue" and was also on Johnny "Hammond" Smith's "Nasty". That'll do for now. MG

By saying "limited technical methods" I wanted to avoid implying that I thought Jamal had/has a limited technique. I know that doing things in a way that sounds simple is often (usually?) very difficult. What I was trying to imply was that Jamal was consciously eshewing certain (common) kinds of technique in favour of others, less obviously "chopslike". Yes, you're quite right. I was trying to get at what I thought you were trying to get at. I think that what you call the reimaginings are the source of what I call the drama of his music. MG

I love that sentence. Thank you kindly. MG

Dude, most of the music's fans today are people for whom "underground" is a fearful a concept as "socialist" or something like that. It's all about being an "outsider", but not too outside. "Hip" is cool, but "weird" ain't. Really? I mean, really really? Like, us lot? MG

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Somebody has been buggering about with Wiki's description of cricket. See second para of the game and its objectives. Yoicks! Thanks Dan

I didn't think I said anything to disagree with, other than that I didn't think you could do anything about it - so if you don't agree with that, what DO you do about it? - and asking what was wrong with the situation in which jazz is sidelined (at least by what seems in subsequent posts to be a decaying daily press industry). MG

I don't understand the distinction you're trying to make. Is it that, with limited technical methods, Jamal is still making interesting/enjoyable music? I have very little Jamal; the Epic/OkeH collection and the 3 volume set of the Essence from the nineties. I bought them at about the same time and was most interested to see that his approach seemed very similar across forty years, but the drama of the more recent material was gripping - or at least, more overt, because you can hear that drama in the early material too. Jamal's music in the early sides sounds very simple and can be listened to as cocktail music - consequently, he was the first modern jazz musician to have a monster hit album - but it ain't compulsory to hear it that way and it's most rewarding to listen to the spaces, too; as rewarding as listening to the spaces in George Freeman's playing, but with different results (edit: and I should also have said volume, as well as space.) So this box is welcome to me (I hope), or will be when the exchange rate improves. MG

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Quite. Why this should be a surprise beats me. Jazz is probably about as relevant to the daily concerns of most Americans as Mbalax or the latest theories of topology. One can try to understand how this state of affairs came about - and there's a good deal of discussion on this board on that topic. But if you think that anything can be done about it, hard kek. But I think the question's got to be asked; aside from the obvious economic impact on musicians' (and others who make money out of jazz) pockets, what's wrong with being sidelined? with being underground? MG

Do any Brits care? I didn't even KNOW about this. MG

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Gene Ammons - My way - Prestige (Musidisc) MG

My friend used to have a version of this song by Morgana King, on the "Taste of honey" LP (Mainstream), which I thought was very sensual indeed. I've bought one recently, but can't remember by whom. MG

paris in the late 60s produced dozens of those unusual combinations... (by memory i'd say pan-african festival wasn't one of them though)... many familiar discs have unusual combinations on them... john zorn or grachan moncur with john patton, mingus or coltrane with ellington, buzz gardner with frank zappa/rene thomas (guess seeing the name a second time is surprising no matter where you see it first), chris mcgregor with nick drake, all those west coast jazzers on tom waits albums, say, shelly manne (iirc) Yes, I'd forgotten that Tom Waits appeared on Teddy Edwards' "Mississsippi lad" album. MG

The Truthettes - God will make things alright - Malaco MG