Rooster_Ties

"Facing Left" - his 2nd BN release, might be a good place to start. It was his first trio-only disc, and featured some very mature playing and tunes. Although, really, any of Moran's discs are well worth picking up. They're all fantastic in my book. "Black Stars" features the great Sam Rivers, if you like him - perhaps also a good place to start.

Oh, yeah... Uh, that's right!!! ( I almost forgot about this myself!!!! )

I agree - I think we need a separate forum for the Blindfold Test threads, and threads discussing the logistics of the Blindfold Tests and such. Make it so!!!

See, this is a great example. I haven't given enough of a list to these tracks, and I am successfully resisting the urge to click on the links. If you know what something is, especially if you know (for sure) that you're right... ...then providing links like this is the way to go (at least so early in the game).

How about this... If you know (or are 98% sure) about what a track is, then only provide a link to something like the AMG review, or some other source - in order to divulge the answer. I mean, I figured out who track 11 is (both the tenor player and trumpeter), but I'd rather not say who until more people have had a chance to guess some more. (Well, other than maybe to say that Dimtry is a big fan of the trumpeter.) I think it would be nice to do this is a way where people who are still trying to figure things out can skim this thread, without any actual answers jumping out at them. It's not very hard to provide a LINK to an answer, without revealing it visually (literally) in the this thread, at least so early in the game. Just an idea to keep this more fun, while people are still guessing. Open to other ideas, of course. This is a lot of fun!!!!

I think you misunderstand their offer. They sell you a brand new CD for $17.99. Burn a copy if you like, since you own it. Then bring it back within 3 days, and they'll give you $13.00 in credit back towards another purchase. (That's $17.99 minus $4.99 in profit for them, and THEY get the disk back, to sell again.) And then, odds are that they're rewrapping that very same CD and selling it again as "new" at $17.99. I'm pretty sure they're rewrapping the returned discs and selling them as new, because in the past (at least at the Troost store) - I've seen dozens of promo CD's being sold as brand-new product, at full list price ($15.99, $16.99, $17.99). I don't know where they're getting their promos from (or is was a practice only done in the past), but I observed this on multiple occasions, with multiple promo-copies of multiple titles. I was even told by one of their managers (a few years ago) that selling promos as if they were new didn't matter, because "their customers wouldn't and/or couldn't tell the difference, so who cares???". So, in other words, they have the potential to sell the same exact disc (one CD, not multiple copies of the same CD), over and over and over and over again, charging $5 each time that someone buys it and presumably burns a copy of it (as they say in their ad), and then return it. At no time in this process does the distributor, record label, or artist see one penny of that $5 from the "rental" process they're advertising.

From my perspective, I think Jim and others are doing this a good way... If you know who it is on one track, without much of a shadow of a doubt - then early on in the game it's probably good to keep that to yourself. If you're uncertain, or only think you kinda know (but don't know if you know, for sure), then it's good to put your thoughts out there. I haven't posted my thoughts on the test yet (probably will on Tuesday), but I was planning to do the exact same thing for the few tracks that I am already 98% certain of.

Hey Jim, Joe, and Randy, I just found a couple dozen more people here in Kansas City who are all really interested in your Organissimo CD, and great news!!! - they're each thinking about buying it!!!! But, I've decided to "rent" each of them one of the extra Organissimo CD's I have (one by one, in succession), so they can each burn a copy for themselves. Hope you don't mind. I'm only making $120 out the deal (and you're not making anything), but after all - I did pay you for the one I'm using to loan to them. Thanks a bunch guys!!!! -- Rooster T. PS: If anybody else in KC wants a copy, just say the word. I won't copy it for you, but for $5 you can "borrow" it from me, and it's all yours. And remember, I need it back in 3 days, or else you gotta pay me $17.99 for it. Sorry, that's the rules. And don't forget: "STOP ILLEGAL DOWNLOADING!!!"

Never heard "Turning Point" before today, not until just a few hours ago actually. (Just got it in the mail today -- a TOCJ from Lon - thanks Lon!!!) Although I've only been through it twice (while I was doing other things, and was in and out of the room), I have to say my first impression is that I think like "Turning Point" better than "Think!". ( Hard to nail down exactly why, since I haven't listened to "Think!" in several months, and I'm only just now ever hearding "TP". I'll listen to both, and get back to you... )

It sounds like "fair use" to me, or at least pretty damn close. In any case, it's a hell of a lot different than renting CD's and suggesting that people copy them, and then turning around and selling those same CD's again as new (or renting them again, and then selling them as new). Light-years difference.

I would guess in most cases that the music being distributed by the Blindfold Test are from albums or CD's that are out-of-print (at least that's what's gonna be on the one I put together). But technically, you might be right. BUT, I think there's a BIG difference between 1) our Blindfold Test where no one is making any money out of it (and if fact, people are loosing money), and individual tracks are being burned (not entire CD's), and usually from out-of-print sources (often LP's that have never been released on CD, or possibly other non-CD sources) --- and 2) a company making $5 profit selling (and reselling, multiple times over) brand-new CD's, and encouraging people to duplicate those same CD's rather than paying for them (other than to paying for the use of the CD's for 3 days, in order to copy them), with no income going to the distributors, record companies, or artists. Big difference in my book, and I suspect also in the eyes of the courts.

Bagpipes????????????????? Anybody know if he was also wearing a kilt on the gig that night????

If they want to let people rent CD's, fine. But the implied reason for their "rental" program is to encourage people to violate copyright law. How much clearer can they be??? "Buy It... Try It... Burn It... Or Return It!!!" Or do they need to say... "Buy It... Try It... Burn It... AND Return It!!!"

Can't imagine how even one penny of it would. In theory, they could "sell" the exact same CD four times, each time having it returned for $4.99 less than they sold it. And then, at the end of the day, they would have made $20 in pure profit, and still have the very same disc they started with. And knowing that they routinely sell promos as if they were new, they could make that same $20 profit off of "selling" the same promo-disc four times in a row. "STOP THE MADNESS! STOP ILLEGAL DOWNLOADING! DO IT THE GUILT-FREE WAY!!!" What utter and complete bullshit.

"STOP ILLEGAL DOWNLOADING!!!" What bullshit...

Even if the cover was only $10??? Unfortunately the answer is Zero. Kansas City is too conservative a town, musically speaking.

7th Heaven was cool when I first moved here around 1994, but they have steadily declined every year since. They still have some bootleg CD's, last time I was there, but when I saw that they were selling promo CD's (often multiple copies of the same title!!), for like $17.99 each --- that's when I said to hell with 7th Heaven. They charge the sky-high prices that they do because in the part of town that they are, most of their customers don't have cars in order to drive to other stores offering the same music at cheaper prices. When I asked somebody there (a manger) about the promos, he said "why bother, who can tell the difference?", and when I suggested they might sell those promos at a lower price, like $9 or $10 (which would be similar to what a used CD would normally sell at, and what most used CD stores sell promos at), the guy looked at me like I was from Mars. They sell what they sell at the prices they sell them for, because they can get away with it. Worst vibe of any record/CD store I've ever been in anywhere in the Kansas City area. I still drop in there once or maybe twice a year, just to see what bootlegs they might have, but really - I always walk out of the place thinking I've been to about the worst record store I've ever been to in all my years. (And that's not because of the part of town they're in -- but rather their attitude towards their customers, which sucks - even on a good day.)

Geeze, now I've seen it all. This (below) was a full-page ad in the most recent free weekly newspaper here in Kansas City. None of the bolding or sizing is of my doing, the bolding and sizing (as I've presented the ad below) was in the ad pretty much this same way. It was a full-page ad, just inside the front-cover of the paper (a tabloid-style paper, page-sizes similar to that of the NY Post or the Chicago Sun Times). I might add that this store probably sells about 60% brand-new CD's vs. about 40% used (at least based on the inventory in the store), so this isn't a "primarily used CD's" store (where 80% of their CD's are used). Also, I'm pretty darn sure that when CD's are returned to them (via the process described above), that they're probably rewrapping them (in shrink-wrap), and then re-selling the discs as brand-new, at the same price as the first time they sold it. I say this because I know for a fact that this place (at least the main location on Troost) has the frequent habit of selling promo CD's (with the barcodes hole-punched) as if they are brand-new product, meaning they sell them at full list price - because they say that their customers don't know the difference, so who cares?? (had a manager there actually tell me that one time, a few years ago). 'Bout dropped my teeth when I read this over dinner tonight at the pizza parlor.

Some other guy named Joe Henderson - not the same guy. (The guy in 1962 is a singer, if I remember right.) Can't remember the details, but Sangry and others here are in the know.

All the E's are too busy, out being with actual people, in real life!!! It's only I's that spend this much time on the Internet, on boards and in chatrooms, where we can "be with people" without having to actually "be with people". (I'm half kidding, of course --- but there may be something to this, now that I think about it. )

Yeah, I pretty much had the same thought. I know, some who really like "Am I Blue" - but like it or not, Joe's not the primary factor in whether "Am I Blue" works or not.

Got mine (BFT#1) in the mail a couple hours ago, and popped it right in. I think I've about got it all figured out, except I'm having some trouble with the bass player on track 4, and the drummer on track 7. And oh - is there a harmonica burried way down in the mix on track 11?? I'm having some trouble with that one too. Other than that, I think I've got it all figured out.... But I guess I should keep the line-ups of each track to myself, until everyone else has a chance to weigh in. Wouldn't want to spoil the fun of everyone having to guess for themselves!!

OK, OK, there's maybe one date I can think of that I haven't warmed to all that much, and that's Freddie Roach's "Brown Sugar" with Joe. But I'm not sure if that's because of Joe's performance, or cuz of other factors (or maybe both).