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You're killing me, Jim.

This is a little out of context (here's the thread where it came from originally: Conservative Cowards), but I think this post needs to be seen by some more eyeballs. Jim. Let me, for one, say how much I appreciate your hard work with this board. I, and many, many others really appreciate having this forum for all our discussions. You da man!!!

VERY cool!!! B) B) B)

What the hell was THAT??? Eeek!! It was even on BLUE NOTE!!!

One picture is worth a thousand words, unfortunately... If THIS one creeps you out (and it does me), find the original cover for the Rosolino "Kenton Presents" side on Capitol. Brrrrrrr... Never see it (the Rosolino "Kenton Presents" side), anybody got a picture of it to post here??????

Yeah, what's the time-table on this. I was talkin' this up at a club just last night, and hated not being able to tell people even any hint of when this might hit the streets. 6 months?? One year?? Hopefully not any longer than that.

FFA, you're right "Impact" is the one you're thinking of. In my mind, one of the greatest post-"big-band"-era big-band recordings, ever!!! Nearly the same thing (or at least in the same ballpark) with the first one, "Music Inc & Big Band", to my estimation.

Flash to 1989/90. My first exposure to "Nefertiti" (and "Sorcerer" too, for that matter) -- were among the very first full jazz records I ever heard, after I had taken a Jazz 101 music appreciation course during my (was it?) Junior year of college. I didn't really get bitten by the 'jazz bug' (yet) during the course itself, and not for several months after. I think that the only full jazz LP's I actually listened to that semester, were a handful of Sun Ra LP's that my uncle had, plus what few Ra albums I could find at the college radio station. (I did my final paper for the class on Ra.) I didn't know shit (yet) about classical music (and especially not about 20th Century classical music) at that point, to say nothing of my total lack of experience listening to jazz, so needless to say, I approached the Ra material with VERY wide eyes. But I digress... It wasn’t until about 6 months later, when a friend (who was a little deeper into jazz than I was, who was also in the same class) offered to make a tape for me of KoB, and "some other cool Miles" on the b-side. I said "sure!!", and the tape I got from him had "Nefertiti" on the b-side, with the opening track from side one of "Sorcerer" tacked on the end (the 'bad-ass-tune-if-there-ever-was-one' tune "Prince of Darkness"). During the summers, and during breaks, my buddy worked for this really hip used CD store up in Chicago. So he had these two (Nefertiti and Sorcerer) on CD from JAPAN - and only come to find out later that neither one had been released in the U.S. on CD by that point. (Those were the first-ever Japanese CD's I had ever seen, now that I think of it.) Anyway, I played that tape (KoB/Nefertiti) over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again - probably 75 times in first 50 days, and 100 times in the next 50 days!!! Put it on as my live-in-girlfriend and I went to sleep, and when we woke up ---> so it was on all the fuckin' time (and all the fuckin’ time too, as I recall ). But I digress... Didn't hear (or even hear of) Wynton, or VSOP, or any of that stuff until at least a couple years later, long after I had already gotten a good-sized dose of the real deal first (thankfully!!). But even back then, as I started getting more tapes of stuff like "Miles Smiles" and "E.S.P.", I was totally struck at how late 60's Miles (prelectricity) just DIDN'T register on anybody else’s radar in my circle of music-friends. Like NONE of the other 'jazz-heads' in college (musicians, mostly - though I was never a jazz musician myself), how practically NONE of them were even barely aware of this shit. They were all about Parker, and Clifford Brown, and Monk, and Coltrane, and Mingus, and pre-1964 Miles - especially stuff like "Milestones", and "Miles Ahead". THAT was the hip shit to them, and 'mid' and 'late' 60's Miles was still just "weird shit" to them, by and large. Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers was the blueprint to them, and "Nefertiti" didn’t fit that blueprint, so they didn’t know what to make of it. Same thing with the relatively young director of the jazz program at this college (small liberal-arts college in upstate Illinois), and he was barely 10 years older than we were, so he was like in his early 30's I think. He loved "classic" late 50's jazz, and that's what the program was all about (seemingly from all the tunes ever played by the college jazz combos, in concerts or in the one bar in town that would host a regular 'jazz' night (Thursday nights), with mostly college students playing, plus a few cats from town (SMALL town - 35,000 people nothin' even the slightest bit bigger for well over 60 miles in any direction). But the really "hip shit to him (the jazz program director at the college), was stuff like The Brecker Brothers. Yeah, that's right, 'jazz-funk', along with a little nasty 'jazz-fusion' was what he sorta thought was the really hip shit to talk about, when anyone wanted to know about "where jazz was really going". (Or at least when jazz was still 'going somewhere', which in his mind - it no longer really was. He was clueless about M-BASE I think, for instance. Or when I brought some of that up to him, he nodded, and said "yeah, that stuff's great", but didn't seem to have any real idea what it was.) As I recall (and/or as near as I could tell), he could appreciate "Bitches Brew" and "Jack Johnson" on some level, and he really liked "Nefertiti" and "Sorcerer" in a sort of academic way. But it was like that music was on some creative plane that was outside the 'space-time-jazz' continuum for him. Come to think of it, I think "Fall" was the example that he used of that band, for the listening material in that "Jazz 101" class. Now "Fall" is a beautiful tune, but that tune (and that tune alone, in a vacuum) sure as hell doesn't give anyone any kind of idea about what that band was really up to. I think maybe he was afraid something like "Riot", just might start one. Come to think of it, though, if I ever taught a jazz course today (which I'd love to do someday!!!!), I'd love to play the early Miles version of "Round Midnight" from Milestones, and then play the live version of Miles from November 6th, 1967 - as a way of contrasting these bands. But I digress...

Holy cow!!!! Wish I was in NY too!!!!

Michael, did I link to the right version of the Woody Shaw stuff?? I know there are multiple copies (at least two that I know of) of the discography/sessionograhy -- that are floating around on the net, and I know I've linked to the wrong one fore. Any other good Woody Shaw resources to recomend?? (On-line, or otherwise? - meaning books and such??) Thanks!! -- Tom

Jazz Trumpeter, Composer Woody Shaw Dead At 44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By JEFFREY K. PARKER UPI - Thursday, May 11, 1989 (New York). Woody Shaw, the imaginitive "post-bop" jazz trumpeter and composer whose left arm was severed in February in a mysterious subway accident, died of kidney failure Wednesday after a long illness. He was 44. Shaw, whose eyesight had been declining for a decade, tumbled down a stairway Feb. 27 onto the tracks at Brooklyn's Dekalb Avenue subway station where a train struck him, severing his arm. He was taken to Bellevue Hospital, where his condition deteriorated and he was stricken by pneumonia. Although his pneumonia abated, he continued to suffer kidney pain and died of kidney failure, said his father, Woody Shaw Sr.

Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy shit!!!!!!!!

Interesting, so there's a "quiet, soft-spoken" person behind the arrogant, name-calling contrarian who spews his hatred on these boards? Well, you could have fooled me (and quite a few others, I suspect)! But you haven't--what we have seen on this and other boards besmirched by your obsessive rhetoric is not a very nice person, but rather one who goes out of his way to start arguments that invariably lead to his hurling puerile insults at anyone who disagrees with his narrow views. I realize that it is easy to misjudge people when all you see is their pixels, and that flareups are common, but most of us overcome that--most of us can get along even when our ideologies differ. You obviously can't so, no, you cannot convince me that there is a nice person hiding behind all that hatred. Here we go again...

I just searched back though this thread, and the others yesterday - and not once did I ever say you were a "big" part of the problem. I did, however, say that I thought you were part of the problem, and in every case - I went on to say that others here were also part of the problem. (And I did this so as not to single you out.) I've also never suggested that anything be done about you in particular. (Or else find the post. Quote it back to me.) Maybe the closest thing I ever said to was this... And in that quote (as in all my other posts on this topic yesterday) I discuss the behaviors of multiple people on this board. Whether or not I think you (Greg) are the worst offender in this matter is immaterial to this discussion. And my opinion on that matter has NOT been provided in any of my posts to date (nor will it). What’s more important (in my opinion) is that several people have behaved beyond the call of what I think is appropriate on this board. But it's not my board, so all I am doing is what I think is appropriate – and that is voicing my opinion about behaviors I find objectionable. And I’m doing so in a way that doesn’t hurl insults, nor single out any one person in this. And, as I’ve said many times, I’m not suggesting anyone be banned from the board. (Or at least not without a formal process like I've discussed, where specific numbers of infractions are tallied, with b3-er being the sole judge in these matters.)

By the way, in case anyone doesn't yet know the details about "Passing Ships", here they be: Andrew Hill - Passing Ships (Blue Note Connoisseur) due Oct 7th, 2003 — previously unreleased 1969 session with nine-piece group — with Joe Farrell-af, ss, ts, ob; Howard Johnson-bcl, tu; Woody Shaw, Dizzy Reece-t; Bob Northern-frh; Julian Priester-tb; Andrew Hill-p; Ron Carter-b; Lenny White-d I'm practically counting the days...

My wife and I saw The Godfather on the big screen a couple years ago (when it was released with a new print/restoration/whatever). For each of us, it was the first time that either of us had ever seen it. Frankly, neither one of us 'got' why this movie is apparently considered by so many to be such a masterpiece. Good move, maybe. Great movie?? Not in my book. Not in my wife's either. I don't get it. Not saying everyone else is "wrong" and I'm "right", but I we just kinda stared at each other in disbelief after the movie was over, and said: "So THAT'S what everybody thinks is such a great movie?????? - HUH????????". We were dumbfounded the entire ride home in the car. Completely don't get it. If it helps any, I was born in '69, and my wife in '68 -- so if it's some kind of "generational" thing, somebody 'plain it to me. PS: I really liked "Trainspotting", for what it's worth.

I hear that, and second the nomination. All in favor????? Where's some live stuff!!! Bring it on!!!!!

How the hell have we gone this long without a Woody Shaw thread??? So then, finally, here it is… OK, a HUGE side-bonus of the upcoming Andrew Hill "Passing Ships" Conn is that it will have one of my all-time favorite trumpeters on it - Woody Shaw. (I can't wait for October to get here!!!) AND, probably my all-time favorite setting for Woody's playing is when he's in PROGRESSIVE contexts -- like with Andrew Hill, Tyrone Washington, Stanley Cowell, Jackie McLean, or Larry Young. What are your favorite lesser-known Woody Shaw recordings, either as a leader, or as a sideman??? To me, Woody strikes me as being very much like Joe Henderson, in that he nearly always played pretty darn well (with maybe with an occasional lapse, here and there) -- and yet he never could quite break through with the kind of success and recognition that he probably deserved - at least based on the quality of the music alone. (And I understand some personal problems and challenges of his hampered his success.) I've read lots about Woody in various threads over the years, but it never hurts to hear more about this incredible player. Did anyone here ever meet him?? I’m sure some of us got to hear him perform 'live', probably on multiple occasions -- though I’m afraid I didn’t even catch the jazz-bug until a couple years after Woody passed away. To help with the discussion, here's a link to a GREAT 'on-line' resource all about Woody's music and life. There's a comprehensive discography/sessionography of his recordings and sideman appearances, and several truly excellent interviews with the man himself (look for the link called "Additional Resources" for the interviews. Check 'em out - they really are something. I've read a couple, and plan to read the rest soon, as we get this thread up and going.) Link: http://www.shout.net/~jmh/shaw/index.htm << this link is long dead 2018 EDIT: Discography seems to live here now (which is what's linked to from the official Woody Shaw website now, as of Sept 2018): http://50.62.230.18/discography/

Fuck if I know???

Golden Arm, I love those two drum-theme "Kello Kitty" images. Simply priceless!! (Jaw-droppingly funny!! ) Late last night I was doing a Google search for god-knows-what, for an image to support something else I was trying to post. I think it was a cat image I was looking for, though now I can't even remember why I was looking for such a thing. Anyway, I saw a handful of "Hello Kitty" images in my search results, and I simply typed in "Hello Kitty" into the handy-dandy Google image-searcher, and BAM - there were hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds of crazy matches. Page, after page, after page - and every page had at least one or two that were really kinda disturbing. So, merely as a public service, I thought it best to collect up the best of what I could find, and post them all here for my fellow asylum members to enjoy. I think it was the one with the "Hello Kitty" toilet paper that gave me the urge to start the thread. I'm feeling much better now, thank you.

Hello Klitty??

Almost impossible to imagine that so many people could die because of something as simple as the heat. Have there not been heatwaves similar to this before?? I understand that there have been record-breaking temperatures, but still - you'd think that there might have been something similar to this that might have occured within the last 10 years, that would have prepaired people and governments to realize that shelters with air conditioning need to be opened, and free electric fans need to be given out, as we do in this country when such a crisis occurs. Very difficult to understand how the deathtoll could be so incredibly high.

On further reflection, how in the world can RS afford to send out 24 issues of their rag to you, every year, for the rest of your life?? I would think that most people taking advantage of this offer would be on the young side, like at least in their 30's or even late 20's. Let's see - that's probably at least 50 years times 24 issues per year equals 1,200 issues. $100 divided by 1,200 equals only $0.08 or $0.09 per issue!!!! Their circulation must be so huge that they don't care about loosing money on what few lifetime subscriptions they sell. That's the only think I can think of. Either that, or they make enough money on their advertising - such that they really don't care what they make on subscriptions. Although, isn't the newsstand price something like $4 or $5 an issue?? 10 years ago it was at least $3 or $4, I remember that much.

OK, one last one - cuz this is maybe appropriate after the gun... Looks like somebody shot poor "Hello Kitty", don't it???