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Can't disagree with you on that one!!

"Biko" and "Sunday, Bloody Sunday"!!! How could I ever have forgotten those two??? Excellent examples.

WTF??? I just discovered that you can get a "Lifetime Subscription" to Rolling Stone Magazine, FOR ONLY $99!!!!!!!!! Not that it's worth that much, but geez. If RS can afford to send you their rag like 24 OR 25 TIMES PER YEAR FOR THE REST OF YOU F-ing LIFE!!! -- then how is the hell is Downbeat like $35 per year, for only 12 issues???? Don't believe me?? Look HERE. GET ROLLING STONE UNTIL YOU DIE Lifetime Subscription $99.00

Excellent work, Noj. Would love to see you try your hand at a few of the icons of jazz - OK, maybe not as iconic as Miles or Duke. But somebody like Joe Henderson, or maybe Larry Young. In any case, I like your work. Very strong and bold statements. Keep it up!!

Twice!!

"Chinatown" is high on my list. I used to always say Woody Allen's "Stardust Memories", but I haven't seen it in years, and doubt I would place it quite as high on my list now. Have to think about this one for a while.

From item #24: "Fuck is certainly a controversial word that may be appropriate in certain venues and locales (Florida Elections Commission, speed eating contests, public defender offices) and may be inappropriate in others (weddings, Chuck-E-Cheese pizza parlors, district attorney offices)."

Item #24 in the very last gif is my favorite. But I'm sure there are plenty of other wonderful quotes to be found in this amazing document. Source: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/fword1.html

Yikes!! I'm also sorry we didn't figure out who we each were until like 2 minutes before Hill started - and then by the time it was over (and the autograph gettin'!), you were probably already on the road. Maybe next time!! I'm definitely planning on going back, if not next July - then I'm sure some July in the next 2 or 3 years. Would you guess the crowd size was similar to what I estimated above??? It was a huge crowd, I thought - especially when you consider the people down the side streets - both straight in front of the stage, and on the sides. Much bigger crowd than any act like Hill would draw in Kansas City, I am sure of that.

Quite a good piece, I thought - for the most part. Could have covered his music a touch more, but this was for a mainstream audience - so I'm not complaining. A physician very familiar with Harrell's condition and situation called his success at being productive and creative, despite his condition, as being nothing short of "heroic". I'm sure I couldn't agree more.

Funny stuff, Johnny. Really, I'm rolling on the floor (seriously!!). But come on, admit it. You and Chris are part of the problem, as much as Greg is. And some other guys don't help either. Any ideas for how to keep things better in control?? Remember what Joe Henderson said... "If You're Not Part Of The Solution, You're Part Of The Problem"

Careful Johnny - you'll wreck your posting percentages!!

Picking up from the "J.R. MONTROSE IN ACTION" thread... I saw Andrew Hill in Iowa City early in July of this year, at an outdoor festival - and there were probably 2,000 other people there who were diggin' Andrew as well. People of all ages. Young (younger than college-age, meaning highschool-age mostly), medium (late 20's, 30's, 40's), and older (you know who you are). In other words, it wasn't all college kids, not by a long shot. And you can't tell me that even half of those people had ever even heard of Andrew Hill before, but there they all were!!! Similar (though slightly smaller crowds, earlier in the day) were very attentive for 90-minute sets by Fred Anderson (in a pianoless trio, w/ bass and drums), and Ron Miles in a quartet with guitar, bass, and drums. All three groups were pretty "out" and/or "creative" – depending on the tune and your perspective. (Nothing that our beloved "hardbop" would have liked one bit, I can tell you that!!) Hill’s set was a pretty darn "out" 90-minute set (as a quartet with Greg Tardy, Nasheet Waits, and I forget who the bass-player was). But the crowd listened very attentively. Imagine hearing a cross between "Point of Departure" and the LIVE version of "A Love Supreme" - for the very first time!! (Tardy's playing was more "out" than "in", much of the time.) That's probably what it was like for most (at least 60%) of these people - I'm guessing. But they really seemed to love it. Damnedest thing I've ever seen. And by way of comparison, here in Kansas City a couple years ago, the Dave Holland Quintet show just barely broke even!!! - filling only about 30%-40% of a relatively smallish venue that holds maybe (I'm guessing) 800 people?? 1,000 tops. Couldn't have been more than 400 people there at most, and even if the 'floor' was half full, the 'balcony' was 80% empty (I know, I was there). Then, by way of further contrast, I saw the Holland Quintet in Columbia MO about a year later (smallish town halfway between Kansas City and St. Louis, where the University of Missouri is), and they sold the place out!!! - in a theater probably held between 800 and 1,000. Columbia can’t be more than 200,000 people, 300,000 tops!!! The Kansas City metro is like 1.6 million!! Grandted - the Iowa City show was free, and both Holland shows you had to pay $20-$25 for tickets for. But still, people here don't listen to "out" shit (like Hill), even when it is free!!! --- as I well learned when David Murray played a free pianoless trio set here in Kansas City about 6 or 7 years ago, at an outside FREE festival. Maybe like 125 people were paying any attention at all to Murray - and this was with Andrew Cyrille on drums and a good bass player (who's name I forget). 2,000, hell - maybe closer to 2,500?? - turn out for Andrew Hill in Iowa City; and maybe 150 people pay any attention to David Murray in Kansas City -- both "free to the public" situations. Don't make no sense to me. Anybody got any theories?? I've also been to well attended jazz shows (in large venues) in Lawrence Kansas (home of the University of Kansas), which is a town with a MUCH smaller population than Kansas City. And it wasn't at all "just college kids" there. No, I'm convinced that half or more of the people who were there were from town. Sure, maybe 1/4th drove from Kansas City (like myself), but the 'per-capita' attendence of town-folk from Lawrence (or Columbia, in the case of the Dave Holland show), has to be MUCH, MUCH higher than it is for similar shows in the imediate Kansas City area. And I'm sure the same is true of St. Louis. What gives??

If that's the case, Greg, then why do you engage in such behavior?? And why so often?? How does a dozen (or over time, dozens and dozens!!) of personally charged and insulting posts of a highly inflammatory nature, do anything to further the "real" discussion that you claim to enjoy more?? I think it's pretty disingenuous for you to say that you prefer a substantive discussion over a good "bash 'em as hard as you can" argument. Your behavior would tend to argue to the contrary. (And I shudder to imagine what some of these "discussions" would be like if they were face to face.)

Greg, one difference is that 98% of the people here don't engage in the level and degree of verbal combat that 2% do. And the 2% that do, make it virtually impossible for any kind of reasonable discussion of a number of topics in the Politics forum. I'm posting all the "Crossfire" images, because I think Crossfire (on CNN) is often one of the most useless things on television. …it, and programs just like it - where people just shout and shout at each other, never attempting to actually listen to each other (let alone try to understand where the other side is coming from), or actually to respond to what the other side is saying. Often, our Political threads turn out the same way. Earlier today, you and I had a good and healthy exchange in the "Alleged Presidential Lies" thread (see how I characterized the subject of that thread in a non-“fanning the flames” manner!) – so my point is that it is possible to have a reasonable exchange of ideas, even when people disagree. Which is certainly not what you and Chris were up to earlier today. What I'm suggesting is that a very small minority of people here on the board (including yourself, Greg, and a few others) are often soaking up all the oxygen in the Political forums. Not every day, but more often than is healthy for the board (IMHO). As someone (myself) who would also like to participate in those same Political threads, I'm getting tired of it - and I think others are too. Also, my "rant"-like response to this situation today, has been uncharacteristic of my behavior on this board, since I joined in March. I'm afraid the same cannot be said of a handful of others who post quite heavily in the Politics forums, where often "rant" is the rule, rather than the "exception".

On a day like this, thank god for threads like this one...

Greg, how the heck can any of the rest of us get in on discussions about serious world events, with you and Chris going at it like you did today?? Or Johnny and whoever else?? I'm seriously not trying to pick on you in this. And I think I've paid you more respect than many have around here, so I hope you do know I'm not trying to place all the blame on you for these kinds of things. But damn it, you are part of the problem. Not the only part, but you and the others who engage in this kind of behavior, seem to not give a flying fuck about how far you take things. NOBODY every backs down. The rhetoric only gets stirred up, faster and faster, and FASTER!!! It drifts over into other political threads. In occasionally even leaches into non-political threads. Like I said before, it ain't nothin' but...

I only got 5 right, but frankly - that's 3 or 4 more than I was expecting to get. This despite the fact that I was a part-time bartender for two years around '92-'94. Never did develop a taste for beer, I'm afraid. Killian's Red is "OK" I guess, but generally speaking, I only drink beer when there's no other choice, and/or when somebody else is buyin'. I don't think I've paid for more than dozen beers in my whole life (heck, maybe not even half-a-dozen), with my own money (not counting my first year in college). Vodka & Cranberry Juice is my typical drink these days.