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Freddie? I wasn't aware Nasheet was his son!

A marvellous film! Would be my first call on the topic! There are some more great French films with jazz from those years... one with jazz on screen, too, is Roger Vadim's "Les liaisons dangereuses". Some of the better jazz music recorded (often it seems for pretty mediocre films) has been collected on four volumes in the Jazz in Paris series. The band on screen is acting pretty frenetic, but somehow I liked it. I think it's not the musicians that did the album (Blakey & co with Barney on sax), but rather Barney, KD and Duke Jordan, but I'm not sure anymore. I think it was discussed in the film corner some time ago.

Sunny is definitely not modest, that's for sure. ← Why should he... I disagree with David here, obviously! Just yesterday I played part of a longish audience recording I recently acquired by a trio of his with Mateen and Dave Burrell. I think he's in pretty fine form. I have heard another set, half in trio with Khan Jamal and Mateen, and the other half with some guests (Odean Pope, Byard Lancaster, and others), and he sounds fine there, too. Both recordings are from October 2003. Funny enough - throw stones! - I took to like Murray much faster (with Ayler and Taylor) than Andrew Cyrille (who might be, or rahter, back in the days, might have been the perfect Taylor drummer) and others from the era. I still think Taylor's "Nefertiti" is a tremendous achievement in music, and Murray is playing quite an important part in its success (probably more so than Lyons, who is only tentatively searching there, still pretty much a bebop player).

Thanks Claude! I'll have to buy some video tapes... (have only entered DVD-age as far as computers are concerned...) How I'd wish someone would occasionally put some of those shows on their schedule in complete form! I've seen only one of them...

All the best, Lon!

And you can buy that Alternate Takes disc separately, too: Amazon

I almost fainted when I saw how they adjusted their shipping charges to Europe ... ← Same here! Crazy indeed! Now if they had cheapo prizes and crazy shipping (as 2001 has for the 'mericans), I would not bitch... but this is a little bit too much! And I went for US postal services (since I would not be home anyway when DHL or UPS or whoever delivers), and that still takes 2-4 weeks! For that, 30$ is way too much, no? ← I agree, it's a pity the option of slow but cheaper surface mail is now only available for orders less than $100. I can't quite believe I stumped up $30 over 10 days ago to ship the O'Day set and I still haven't received it !!! Higher prices and slower service don't bode well really !! ← I guess U.K. Customs is very happy with your order... ← Undoubtably, surface items often would bypass their scrutiny where as airmail or fedex always get taxed. ← That's exactly the experience I made...

r.i.p. Lucky

I almost fainted when I saw how they adjusted their shipping charges to Europe ... ← Same here! Crazy indeed! Now if they had cheapo prizes and crazy shipping (as 2001 has for the 'mericans), I would not bitch... but this is a little bit too much! And I went for US postal services (since I would not be home anyway when DHL or UPS or whoever delivers), and that still takes 2-4 weeks! For that, 30$ is way too much, no?

30$ for shipping and then add another 35$ or more for them custom fellas... ruinous! At least the US$ is not much more expensive then toilet paper of late

Green with envy! I already have the J.J. (fantastic set, and definitely one of my favourites!), but I can only afford the O'Day for now, not the Ory. Why do these sets run out so fast these days? Starting MSIE to order now... won't work with Opera, for some reason.

Happy birthday!

I think I know what you meant. I agree. ← I agree, too. Some of the rest of us want to hear what you all have to say. It tends to get lost up in there in that ultra-lengthy thread. ← Stop bitchin' around willya! If folks would start threads on avant, free, whatever name you put to it, jazz all over this board there would have been no need for the funny rat in the first place... the funny rat got started and continued becasue of lack in will to discuss (I *don't* say lack of interest in) those kinds of music people call avantguarde, free jazz, etc. *** On topic: I have the disc, but still need to spin it. I somehow prefer Parker on tenor, too, for just the auto-pilot thing he does on soprano. I saw him live last year with Barry Guy and he did his auto-pilot thing on soprano, but when he played a tenor solo, it was so lyrical, and indeed his sound is gorgeous! Among my very few discs that feature Parker, there is one I would recommend: The duo both in a studio (disc 1) and live (disc 2) setting, rec. September 6 & 7, 2001, released on Intakt in 2003.

David, I had to adjust the volume pretty often as well... I listened to the disc loud, but still it got way too loud at several moments... Whatever, next CIMP is that Dunmall I mentioned having bought. That one's of more recent vintage, so maybe the recording is better? The other CIMP I know is the Frank Lowe Body & Souls or what's it called... terrific playing there, but indeed a bit flat recording (and problems with recording the bass... nicely accredited to the bass player on the back of the disc...)

Funny enough just this morning I picked up the recent AotW, "Great Friends" by Hart, Workman, Cowell, Harper & Fortune, and I totally dig it right now (popped it in just after I posted the above...)

As for Han, I was following somebody else's post. But he does find himself in other contexts than 'free,' that is for sure. Early Mengelberg 'Kwartet' is not free jazz, though definitely vanguard in its approach. I would call Dolphy post-bop though his influence ranges far from that tree, so Han's work with Eric would fall into this category as well. ← That is true, yes. Hadn't thought about that.

Billy Hart is a drummer I often find a bit difficult. I can see that he has a style that is completely his own, but... I've seen him live with Bobo Stenson and Charles Lloyd, and wasn't always sure. Same goes on discs. Sometimes I just think he's great, other times I can't grasp what he's up to. Oh, and I agree on Denardo...

Interesting. How do you know that? ← They'd rather have preferred keeping Gus Johnson (a real mo-fo!), as far as I understand. Mike: check out the recent Billy Cobham trio disc with Ron Carter and Kenny Barron - there was a thread about it here. A great disc, and a real ear-opener for me, since I always thought Cobham sucked, then picked this one up after having read a very positive review by Switzerland's one competent jazz critic (probably the only one who has so far *not* written about Lonehill/Definitive/etc. releases and instead knew about the original releases...) And put me in the book as one who likes Louis Hayes a lot (he was so young in the fifties when he was all over the place, and had so much taste already!) and also Ben Riley! But then again, there are days when I can't stand Roy Haynes, or Philly Joe, or Blakey... but that does not mean I don't like them. Max can bug the shit out of me, too, when I'm not in the right mood. Plus I find it a bit difficult to see Han Bennink listed here... I mean we're otherwise not talking about any but bop and fusion drummers, so... or does everybody love Sunny Murray and Denis Charles and Andrew Cyrille and Mel Graves and ... Oh, should we now start bashing Hamid? Since this is the drummer thread, why not repeat my opinion that he is way overrated. I think he is good, but he is not nearly as good as he is thought to be by many...

Gave Roswell Rudd's "Unheard Herbie Nichols Vol.2" (CIMP) a spin yesterday, and loved it! Great tunes, great bone playing, some serious fun!

Happy huppy! How is it to spend the life standing on your head?

you see? advanced age does not keep from learning! ← Or wait, did I get that the wrong way 'round? Now the poor king is confused. Whatever... here's Helmut Newton's take:

you see? advanced age does not keep from learning! Seriously: Vitti, in those Antonioni films, is just the actress for poor king ubu!

I'm not a fan of these kind of concept albums, but this is one I'd be interested to hear!

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