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I recently found that CD in a used-music store. The Tracks are: I REMEMBER YOU I'VE TOLD EVERY LITTLE STAR OLEO WILL YOU STILLL BE MINE IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU Rollins, ts; Henry Grimes, b; Pete La Roca, d. Zurich, March 5, 1959 SONNYMOON FOR TWO Rollins, ts; Kenny Drew, p; NHOP, b; Albert Heath, d. Is this accurate? I think there are no official recordings by Rollins from early 1959? The following Rollins-link gives a Stockholm session for March 5, http://www.jazzdisco.org/newk-dis/. However, the tracks & CD-release are identiacl to what I have. Was this recorded in Stockholm or in Zurich? ubu

I love those early Abdullah Ibrahim recordings! What I have is a CD (by Ibrahim) called "African Sun", which is one of four (?) Ibrahim albums released in the late eighties by Kaz Records. I have CDRs of two more of these, and a CDR of a compilation called "African Horns" featuring tracks by Ibrahim, Moeketsi, Barney Rachabane (two tracks, they include Bheki on piano). Those CDs were annotated pretty crappy. The only dates included are those of release/printing.The following is the info I get from the CDs: African Sun (Kaz CD 102) ( A ) Ibrahim, p; Moeketsi, as; Victor Ntomo, b; Nelson Magwaza, d. 1971 Soultown Records AFRICAN SUN BRA JOE FROM KILIMANJARO ROLLING MEMORIES OF YOU (yeah, the standard by Blake-Razaf! and what a beautiful rendition!) ( B ) Ibrahim, p; Dennis Mpale, t; Barney Rachabane, as; Basil Coetzee, ts; Duku Makasi, ts; Sipho Gumede, b; Peter Morake, d. 1975 Sun Records SATHIMA ( C ) Ibrahim, p; Rachabane, as; Basil Moses, b; Gilbert Mathews, d. 1975 Gallo AFRICAN HERBS ( D ) Ibrahim, p; Rachabane, as; Victor Ntoni, b; Timmy Kwebulana, d. 1977 Gallo NOBODY KNOWS THE TROUBLE I'VE SEEN (Trad.) ( E ) Ibrahim, p; Robbie Jansen, as; Basil Coetzee, ts; Paul Michaels, b; Monty Webber, d. 1977 Gallo BLUES FOR B ( F ) Ibrahim solo (wrongly annotated as a sextet track). Prob. 1977 Gallo GWIDZA ( G ) Ibrahim, p; Coetzee, ts; Moses, b; Mathews, d. 1979 Gallo KAMALIE African Horns (Kaz CD 8) (This gives no release years & companies) ( A ) Ibrahim, cello; Coetzee, ts; Gumede, b; Mathews, d NEXT STEP SOWETO ( B ) Moeketsi, as; Dennis Philips, as; Coetzee, ts; Pat Matshikiza, p; Alex Khaoli, b; Sipho Mabuse, d TSHONA (Matshikiza) ( C ) Ibrahim, p; Coetzee, ts; Moses, b; Webber, d BLACK AND BROWN CHERRIES ( D ) Barney Rachabane, as; Bheki, p; Gumede, b; Mathews, d TEGENI (Rachabane) ( E ) Ibrahim, p; Robbie Jansen, as; Coetzee, ts, Michaels, b; Webber, d MSUNDUZA ( F ) Rachabane, as; Duku Makasi, ts, Bheki, p, Gumede, b; Mathews, d MAFUTA (Rachabane) Voice of Africa (Kaz CD 101) ( A ) Ibrahim, p; Moeketsi, as; Coetzee, ts; Makasi, ts; Gumede, b; Mathews, d. Ekapa 1976 BLACK LIGHTNING LITTLE BOY BLACK AND BROWN CHERRIES ( B ) Ibrahim, p; Coetzee, ts; Moses, b; Weber(aka Webber), d. Ekapa 1977 This could be the same session as ( C ) from "African Horns" NTYILO NTYILO (Davashe, arr. Ibrahim) ( C ) Ibrahim, p; Jansen, as/fl; Coetzee, ts/fl; Michaels, b; Weber (aka Webber), d. Gallo 1977 This could be the same session as ( E ) from "African Horns" and ( E ) from "African Sun" MANNENBERG IS WHERE IT'S HAPPENING (CAPE TOWN FRINGE) THE PILGRIM Tintinyana (Kaz CD103) ( A ) Ibrahim, p; Mpale, t; Rachabane, as; Coetzee, ts; Makasi, ts; Gumede, b; Morake, d. 1975 Gallo This is possibly the same session as ( B ) from "African Sun" SOWETO'S WHERE IT'S AT ( B ) Ibrahim, p; Ntoni, b; Nelson Magwaza, d. Gallo 1971 TINTINYANA JUST A SONG (D. Mason) LITTLE BOY SHRIMP BOATS (Howard-Weston) SALAAM CHERRY ( C ) Ibrahim, p; Blue Mitchell, t; Buster Cooper, tb; Harold Land, ts; Basil Coetzee, ts; Lionel Beukes, b; Doug Sydes, d. Gallo 1979 BRA JOE FROM KILIMANJARO Blues For A Hip King (prob. Kaz CD104) ( A ) Ibrahim, p; Moeketsi, as; Coetzee, ts/fl; Makasi, ts; Gumede, b; Mathews, d. Gallo 1976 Maybe same session as ( A ) from "Voice of Africa", though dates do not correspond. BLUE MONK (Thelonious Monk) ( B ) Ibrahim, p; Robbie Jansen, as; Coetzee, ts; Arthur Jacobs, ts; Lionel Beukes, b; Nazier Kapdi, d. Gallo 1974 ORNETTE'S CORNET ALL DAY & ALL NIGHT LONG ( C ) Ibrahim, p; Blue Mitchell, t/flh; Buster Cooper, tb; Coetzee, ts/fl; Beukes, b; Doug Sydes, d. prob. also Harold Land, ts. Gallo 1976 This is probably the same session as ( C ) from "Tintinyana", though the dates do not correspond; Land is mentioned in the liner notes, I have not yet listened to the disc. SWEET BASIL BLUES TSAKWE HERE COMES THE POSTMAN BLUES FOR A HIP KING ( D ) Ibrahim, p; Victor Ntoni, b; Makaya Ntshoko, d. Gallo 1979 BLUES FOR B MYSTERIOSO (sic) (Thelonious Monk) JUST YOU JUST ME (Green) ECCLIPSE AT DAWN KING KONG (Matshikiza) KHUMBULA JANE (Davashe, arr. Ibrahim) Jazz In Africa Volume Two (Kaz CD 28) ( A ) Kippie Moeketsi, as; Dennis Phillips, as (#1 only); Basil Coetzee, ts; Pat Matshikiza, p; Alec Khaoli, b; Sipho Mabuse, d. (originally released under Moeketsi's name as "Tshona", recorded mid-seventies) TSHONA (Matshikiza) STOP AND START (Matshikiza) UMGABABA (Moeketsi) KIPPIE'S PRAYER (Moeketsi) Tshona is identical with the same tune on "African Horns" ( B ) Barney Rachabane, ts; Basil Coetzee, ts; Duke Makasi, ts; Tete Mbambisa, p; Sipho Gumede, b; Gilbert Matthews, d AFRICAN DAY (Trad.) ( C ) Robbie Jansen, as/fl; Basil Coetzee ts/fl; Arthur Jacobs, ts/fl; Abdullah Ibrahim, p; Lionel Beukes, b; Nazier Kapdi, d (session led by Ibrahim) KALAHARI (All compositions by Ibrahim, unless noted otherwise) While Ibrahim is generally quite in the background on these sessions, the saxophone players are uniformly excellent, in my opinion (though it's several years ago that I listened to this music for the last time - gotta check it out again soon!). Moeketis and Coetzee being my favorites. Hope this helps, don't know about correctness of the above data, however! Edit, 9/24/03: added details of Blues For A Hip King (which I just received in its Camden release from 1998) Edit, 10/2/03: added details of Jazz in Africa Volume Two (Kaz CD 28) ubu

Tony, I got mine from amazon.fr. Before I ordered it, it said, "Order fast, only 2 left", when I had ordered one, gone it was. It's not even listed as "not available any more" now. Left no traces... Checked my discs 2 and 7. They clock in at more than 40 and some 32 minutes, respectively, so I guess they should be correct. (I have not yet come further than disc 2 in listening, as I only have the box for two or three weeks now). And , that was a thread *I* started, where this was discussed, and I couldn't remember anymore, not even when I searched for Taylor, it came to my mind... guess I need a new one! ...and I appreciate your -just wanted to say, forget it!- help! thanks! ubu

Chaney - what was there about the 2 ts set? I recently got hold of the last amazon copy, and would be very displeased, if there was something wrong, because I don't think there would be any possibility to replace it now! thanks, ubu

Cool! Thanks for keeping us updated! ubu

I seem to get your point, whilst not sharing your view. What do you think of Jimi Hendrix? Or Tony Williams' Lifetime, Miles Davis' "In A Silent Way" and "Bitches Brew" (all with John McLaughlin)? I mean, it's perfectly alright not to like this, and who knows what is a step forward and what is/was just a step to some side... I personally like Raney, Bauer, Smith, also Burrell, Green, Montgomery, and of course Christian and Django better than post-1968 (or whenever the "new" sounds started) most of the time. Maybe someone here can give you some good recommendations for records that include distortion and whatever sounds, which would be a good introduction for you. Maybe the first disc of Williams' Lifetime? I think that was called "Emergency", and it includes Larry Young on organ. Maybe something by John Abercrombie, or John Scofield? ubu

No extra, but you may try djangos. They don't have it in stock, but from my experience, they might come up with one. ubu

Good idea to discuss this! The only ones I have so far (I picked them up recently for very few $$) are "Sama Layuca" and "13th House", a big-band affair. I like both of these quite a lot. The music has on the one hand sort of a post-Coltrane-consciuosness, while, on the other hand, it seems yet far more individual and Tyner's own thing than the (nice, but not great, in my opinion) Impulse dates. Tyner is still going very strong, however. Heard some broadcasts of him solo and in a trio with Al Foster. ubu

Yes, a very good one indeed! Nice to hear Sulieman in such stellar company. Flanagan's trio track "How Long Has This Been Going on" is stunning. He had such a nice touch! And Doug Watkins... words fail. That's a BASS-sound! ubu

HOly cow! I didn't see that bagpipe thing! Should stop posting a minute before going to sleep! However, that session sure looks interesting! ubu The source: http://www.jazzdisco.org/trane-dis/

That's what I found: John Coltrane Sextet John Coltrane (ss, ts) Eric Dolphy (as, bcl) McCoy Tyner (p) Art Davis, Reggie Workman (B) Elvin Jones (d) ``Village Gate'', NYC, August 8-September 3, 1961 unknown titles rejected John Coltrane Quartet John Coltrane (ss, ts) McCoy Tyner (p) Jimmy Garrison (B) Elvin Jones (d) ``Showboat'', Philadelphia, PA or ``Village Gate'', NYC, April 16, 1964 2 unknown titles private tape John Coltrane Quartet John Coltrane (ss, ts) McCoy Tyner (p) Jimmy Garrison (B) Elvin Jones (d) ``Showboat'', Philadelphia, PA or ``Village Gate'', NYC, July, 1964 My Favorite Things private tape 2 unknown titles - John Coltrane Quartet John Coltrane (ts) McCoy Tyner (p) Jimmy Garrison (B) Elvin Jones (d) ``Village Gate'', NYC, March 28, 1965 90374 Nature Boy Impulse A 90 Bass Solo unissued One Down, One Up - * The New Wave in Jazz / various artists (Impulse A 90) John Coltrane Octet John Coltrane (ss, ts, bcl, per, bagpipes) Carlos Ward (as) Pharoah Sanders, Archie Shepp (ts, per) McCoy Tyner (p) Jimmy Garrison (B) Rashied Ali, Elvin Jones (d) ``Village Gate'', NYC, September, 1965 Afro Blue rejected Out of This World - ******** Would "rejected" indicate these recordings were made by Impulse? ubu

Jackie Brown, L'ascenseur pour l'echafaud, The man with the golden arm Delerue (also his Godard soundtracks, such as Le mépris), and many of the the more recent Godard soundtracks, where the soundtrack alone can be heard as sort of an "audio-film" (similar to what some releases on the Winter&Winter label achieve) almost anything by Morricone, Max Steiner my perrennial favorite: Nono Rota (8 1/2, La dolce vita, Godfather, Il gattopardo etc) ubu

Then, for a change of pace, theres also the "Ray Brown With the All-Star Big Band Featuring Cannonball Adderley" album (Verve, 1962). It's included on the following (otherwise fairly good rather than great, double CD: And, as a sidenote, that cover story downbeat had on Cannon, some months ago, was a very good read. ubu

I'm completely with Lon on this one - wonder what a different bass-drum-team could have done... Generally, I think Evans was just not the guy to lead a date with horns. Of course he was great with Miles, but his ohn quintet/quartet dates are the ones that get the least playing time with me. It's the trios that do more for me. Then, Cannonball: I think I have never heard any wrong note from him, neither an unfitting one. I consider him one of the giants of the saxophone, and an underrated (though I hate this label) musician/bandleader/catalyst. Another of my favorite Cannonball recordings is "Things Are Getting Better, with Milt Jackson and the great rhythm section of Wynton Kelly, Percy Heath and Art Blakey. Great cover, too! ("Cover Photograph, by Charles Stewart, shows Cannonball Adderley with his King Super 20 Alto Sax"). The liners, by the way also include that strange Roverside Sterophonic diagram (the one we discussed earlier, with the phanton speaker etc) ubu

Another very good Monterose date came to mind when I read the thread on "In Action". "Body and Soul" was recorded live in the Netherlands, on January 31, 1970, with Jon Eardley and a very tight local rhythm section (Rein de Graaff, p; Henk Haverhoek, b; Pierre Courbois, d). It's a real shame this is not a quintet affair in its entirety (there are two trio features and a feature for Eardley and Monterose, and two quintet tracks. Eardley does "Old Folks", the trio does "How Deep Is the Ocean" and a de Graaff original, the quintet does another de Graaff tune and Monterose's "Short Bridge", however, the real highlite is J.R.'s take on "Body and Soul". This is another one which belongs in the row of great tenor sax interpretations of that tune! The disc was reissued by Blue Moon in 2000, seems to be available from the Freshsound-site. Anyone has heard it? ubu

"L'argent" was Bresson's last film. I had a chance to see it at a retrospective held in Zurich a couple of nmonths after his death. I saw many others there, too (Condamné, Journal d'uncuré..., Balthazar, Le diable probablement - some others were missing as they could not get any copies). There was a recent (Hollywood?) movie starring Al Pacino (whom I don't like that much in his recent films, ususally), called "Insomnia". Can't remmeber who directed it, but that was quite a bleak affair, too. **** I have just now seen Alexander Medwjedkin's silent movie "Stschastje" (german: Das Glück), from 1935. What a great film! They even had a piano player who did a quite decent job. Tomorrow, I'm going to see Griffiths "Intolerance" (for the first time in its entirety) ubu

meant Jim, of course, but couw was faster... ubu

you sure?! That Kenny G thing's worth a good laugh! Bird Lives! And he'll go on forever, as long as folks like us stay. Happy Birthday ubu

Glad not to be alone in the desert... that would make two heads

I don't rate I know what I mean that high - I'd say, it's a beautiful record, it's nice to have Evans and Cannonball together, and it's probably the best Evans & horns date, yet... somehow, I don't find myself returning to it all that often. ubu

8 1/2 is one of my say 10 (which means 20) favorite films ever! I - by the way - prefer it by far to La dolce vita. I have never seen all of I vittelloni, but that seems to be a very nice (and very italian) film, too. Roma is good, Amarcord, then those other ones, like Satyricon, have their moments, too. How about neorealismo? I have recently seen Ladri di biciclette, Sciuscia, La terra trema, Ossessione and some more. Some time ago also Roma città aperta and Paisà. But my all-time favorite film of that era is Umberto D.! ubu

brownie: I never heard of "la maman et la putain", but I made a mental note! Sure sounds good! On Bresson: I did like "L'argent" a lot. Bleak? Hell, I like that! How 'bout Antonioni? I had some strange discussion with our friend Heaney on another board. Anyone here likes La Notte, L'avventura and L'eclisse (I still had no possibility to see Il deserto rosso yet)? For me, these are some of the best movies ever made! (a side-note on La notte: the band playing that night was a real jazz quartet, the piano player is Giorgio Gaslini, who made some interesting recordings, a solo piano Monk tribute, as well as an adaption of Ayler tunes for solo piano. Antonioni let them play the whole night - not caring they also had day jobs - in order to get them unshaved and tired for that final scene in the early morning) ubu

Jim & Lon: thanks, will have to get these two as soon as I can afford! ubu

That's a good point you have re: 'experience'. I'm with you on that, generally. And that's the reason, too, why, having seen three or four japanese films, I usually have my share of japanese cinema for the next six months or so. (and I like to go to the movies up to four times a week when time allows) But Imamura, for me, was quite an experience on its own. Those films have a sort of anarchy (as has Oshima), which you don't see in our own films too often, and which did quite strike me. Will have my eyes open (that's easy, as I'm a member of both those two venues here...) for anything to come by Mizoguchi! What are your favorite Truffaut films? Mine would be the Doinel stories, Nuit américaine, and maybe La chambre verte and Tirez sur le pianiste. (Though there are some I missed) ubu

Thanks, Aggie! Relief! I tend to quite care a little bit too much about such things! ubu