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I am currently enjoying Pax - what a great Hill album. Just amazing that it was not reissued before and the sound is marginally improved over previous sources.

I pretty much agree with most of what Guy said. I love the Inner Mounting Flame but felt it was all down hill from there, except for the occasional flicker of brilliance. So rather than listen to the later Mahavishnu Orchestra, I prefer McLaughlin's other stuff: the brilliant Extrapolation, or Where Fortune Smiles, My Goal's Beyond, and some of the Shakti stuff. and I am sure I am forgetting something.

Best wishes and hope you had a great one!

I think "Alone" on Verve is his best solo effort. The earlier sessions for Riverside(?) which were not released until long after his death are touching performances, but they get me in a kind of sad mood; I don't think Evans was feeling too well. "Alone" was reissued with additional newly discovered bonus tracks as a VME just a few years back (unfortunately leaving out an excellent "A Time for Love" which were on the first CD reissue and the complete Verve box. It had very good liner notes, which were left out when it was just recently reissued again. Daniel A, My VME has two takes of a Time For Love, do you mean there were actually 3 takes? The VME has the orginal liners by Evans himself and some updated notes by Phil Bailey in 2001, whose notes got left out?

I have always preferred the Solo Sessions (vols. 1 & 2) on Milestone to either Alone or Alone Again. Also, I have always considered Conversations with Myself a great solo album althought technically it isn't or maybe it is.

Thanks very much Brownie and Bichos!

I have no idea who the guy is. A friend asked me to see if I could get a picture.

I heard this in a store and then immediately bought it. If you have heard World Sax or the the Julius Hemphill sax units, this will have some familiarity, but it is not as out as those could be at times, perhaps it is more akin to my beloved 29th Street Saxophone Quartet in terms of style. Also, here they add Bass, Piano, and Drums Featured soloists: Odean, Joe Lovano, James Carter, and Michael Brecker. On an initial listen recorded live, this band really cooks. Anyone else heard or like it?

Sure it has some shlock on it, but that "Elvis 30 #1 Hits" that came out a couple of years ago, has the best sound for those recordings - it is night and day. Obviously the Sun sessions are great material

Interesting comments guys. Dan- it is an autobiography right? So why is Horace referring to himself as Horace or are you paraphrasing? ( I am looking at the Horace "quotes" about Tyrone Washington from your earlier post) Any other comments? I am interested because I love the guy's music, but on the fence about the book.

I heard Martino's new Wes tribute cd in Tower the other day. Man it sounded good! It will be tough to beat Live at Yoshi's though - one of my all time favorites.

I contacted Mosaic yesterday...they said Hard Bop hadn't made it to them yet, but should in a couple of days. thanks for the update! let me know if you get it.

anyone get the Art Blakey "Hard Bop" and can compare it to the japanese issue on sound quality?

Exactly. And that's another reason why it's too soon. An interpretation of past events in a movie is one thing, but something this fresh, combined with the power of film on the human brain and memory, is going to do exactly that: replace facts with interpretation. I might agree except that waiting more time doesn't necessarily mean we are going to get a more factual presentation. Look at the american Western films of the 40s,50s, 60s, these films are about events that occurred many years before but they are hardly fair to native americans. Having seen United 93 I found it to be a remarkably balanced film that relies heavily on facts (I would conjecture that very little is made up) without over glamourizing the passengers or demonizing the hijackers. And the message I got from the film, which I guess is different from Dan's view, was that although there was indeed a pilot on board (he had only previously flown 4 seaters) the passengers actually did not have much hope they could pull it off.

Not sure what this means as I am not up on cybertalk. these people on those planes were friends, neighbors, relatives of close friends. sorry if you are bored. You're not sure what it means, but your paranoia can be trusted, eh? It must have been posted simply to annoy you, after all... So why don't you just tell me what it means then, and then I don't have to speculate. I don't speak in code here.

No Chris you are not being too simplistic, it's just that you know very little about the facts. and that, in the words of Jim A., is pathetic. It is uncontested that the pilot and copilot were murdered in the first few minutes of the hijack and the passengers and flight attendants were aware that the pilots had been killed.. And yes Chris there are phone conversations with passengers where they indicated that they were going to revolt against the hijack -not sure what you mean by the immediate situation.

so enlighten us please. It's pretty simple. Nobody knows exactly what when on up there, including whether they were trying to save themselves or save the Whitehouse or whatever, except the people who were there. And they are all dead. And in the end, it doesn't matter whether or not they were trying to save their own lives, the lives of people on the ground, or the Whitehouse. The simple fact is they recognized they were not going to be held hostage but instead they were dead meat and decided to do something about it, instead of passively allowing a few men to control their collective destiny. And for that they are heroes. Not exactly true that only the passengers knew what went on up there , because a number of the passengers were having conversations with relatives and others on the ground about what had occurred at the Trade Center, etc. and about what the passengers were planning to do So one issue is that the United 93 passengers had a big advantage over the passengers who crashed into the Trade Center because those passengers had no warning that these were suicide flights. those passengers should not be denigrated for letting others control their destiny because they probably really believed if they did not resist, they would return to the airport. Furthermore, I think it does matter whether they were trying to save just themselves or others. Saving yourself is not usually a heroic act, saving others is. But what do I know, I am just pathetic right? I never said anyone was pathetic. I said the conversation was. That's a big difference. Also, by trying to save themselves they inherently were saving other people, since they were all aboard the plane together, no? well it was not made clear to me why the conversation was pathetic, unless your point is that since we don't know what happened up there, it is a useless argument. Well I reject that premise, because as I said before, we know a lot about what went on up there because of the numerous conversations of United 93 passengers with those on the ground. Your last sentence is of course correct but not clear - I was referring to people saved who were not on the plane, but that means that they were much less heroic. And as I have stated many times in this thread , I am not convinced, based on the facts that we do know, they thought they were saving themselves.

Not sure what this means as I am not up on cybertalk. these people on those planes were friends, neighbors, relatives of close friends. sorry if you are bored.

so enlighten us please. It's pretty simple. Nobody knows exactly what when on up there, including whether they were trying to save themselves or save the Whitehouse or whatever, except the people who were there. And they are all dead. And in the end, it doesn't matter whether or not they were trying to save their own lives, the lives of people on the ground, or the Whitehouse. The simple fact is they recognized they were not going to be held hostage but instead they were dead meat and decided to do something about it, instead of passively allowing a few men to control their collective destiny. And for that they are heroes. Not exactly true that only the passengers knew what went on up there , because a number of the passengers were having conversations with relatives and others on the ground about what had occurred at the Trade Center, etc. and about what the passengers were planning to do So one issue is that the United 93 passengers had a big advantage over the passengers who crashed into the Trade Center because those passengers had no warning that these were suicide flights. those passengers should not be denigrated for letting others control their destiny because they probably really believed if they did not resist, they would return to the airport. Furthermore, I think it does matter whether they were trying to save just themselves or others. Saving yourself is not usually a heroic act, saving others is. But what do I know, I am just pathetic right?

I tend to agree, though a bit of reflection on human nature suggests that most (probably all) were trying to save themselves first. The thought that they might save others on the ground was probably quite secondary, though that reality likely dawned upon some of them as time went on. Ironically, in failing to save themselves they most likely saved many others. No matter what happened up there, I think they're heroes. I saw the A&E movie a few months ago. Thought it was pretty well done for the most part. Planning to see this one this weekend. Looking forward to it (sort of). Of course, they did not have to all have the same motive. On the other hand, I fail to see how you could think you were saving yourself unless you thought a passenger could fly the plane and was able to get the controls away from the hijackers in a matter of seconds -given the low flying altitude. Do you have any evidence that the passengers thought they could do these things?

so enlighten us please.

Well that is a bit of a change Chris, before you were saying that the passengers acted only out of the interest to save their own lives. who was going to fly the plane Chris? One more fact: In stating your belief you do not support it with a single fact that relates to what we do know. Now let it rest.

So Alex, let me get this straight, you become irrational and inhumane by fighting against the people who are trying to kill you? Give me a break................ So Alex, if someone were trying to strangle you, would you just let them finish the job out of fear of losing your humanity? Did I say that I wouldn't do that same thing they did? Of course not. I'm just saying that the struggle to survive reduces us to our animal insticts. Watch the movie. The mob of howling passengers are depicted literally tearing the hijackers to pieces. Were they justified in their actions? Darn tootin'. Would they be proud of what circumstances forced them to do? No way. Eli Weisel wrote quite elequently about how the conditions in the Concentration Camps turned him and other inmates into animals concerned with nothing but their own survival. He describes a son strangling is own father to death over a piece of bread. It was every man for himself, but that doesn't mean that that anyone would be PROUD of their actions under such circumstances. I'm sure the members of the Donner party felt pretty horrible about what they had to do to survive. I'm sure it haunted them for the rest of their lives. I saw the movie, no hijacker winds up in pieces. One is killed by a mob of passengers, but that is because since they had no serious weapons, it took a number of passengers to subdue the guy who they appear to beat to death. As for "howling" - yes there was screaming in the struggle - it seems you want to degrade the passengers. In the cockpit - there is a struggle. Again I saw no one in pieces. I understand your rationale but it smacks too much to me of equating the victim with the perpetrator. The families of Flight 93 can be proud that the actions of those passengers saved american lives and perhaps the Capitol building. I remember by the way, you stating on the first anniversary of 9/11, that you saw signs saying "We will never forget" and your reaction was "forget what?" Yeah I think I know where you are coming from.

Yes, Chris I admit that I am not sure what actually happened- that's why I used the phrase "I think" but what I mean by "I think" - that it is a rational deduction based on the circumstances that probably approaches the truth. I am not just making stuff up. And the key element here is if indeed the passengers were merely seeking to save their own lives - what was the likelihood that a passenger could have flown the plane to a safe landing. I submit to you based on the film, and all that I know about it, there was very little if any chance of that. I noticed that you chose not to deal with my argument, but instead raised Jessica Lynch. And as for butting in, nothing stopped you from butting in to arguments I have had with others on this Board.