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https://www.sfgate.com/la/article/oldest-record-store-los-angeles-for-sale-19489017.php?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us

I can't - and won't - argue with any of that. But is Mosaic selling it at a "public domain" price point? Did Columbia? And are the proceeds of these sales going back into any kind of taxpayer-related pool? No? So in effect, "we" are paying twice - once for the material production and distribution (but not for any musical expenses, remember, that was all done free of charge), and now again to buy what "we" have already paid for, in a format that "we" weren't supposed to have to begin with. Although, my dad served in the Army during WWII. But stateside, so I guess he wouldn't have been eligible. I'd feel a lot less ambiguous about this (and I'm still preordering) if the AFM and some branch of the DOD would issue a joint declaration releasing all these V-Discs from all prior contractual obligations and that they're now fair game for all to enjoy and for all who are able to profit from. Can't be that complicated, can it? Until then, this seems like the old "wait 'em out" strategy, to just wait until there's too few people left who could press the point, and then just run it on through. Mosaic has always railed against the Euro PDMusiporn sets for running this exact game. Is Mosaic now obligated to pay composer/publishing fees? And nothing for performers estates? Not even to be held in escrow? This seems like a very non-Cuscuna strategy. But he's dead now. Maybe I'll wait for used copies....

The parties involved - the government and the AFM - have yet to breach the agreement. When Columbia released their collection of Sinatra V-Discs (which wasn't complete, leave to Jazz Factory to put out the rest), was any mention made of an agreement between them and the original parties? Or did they just go ahead and do it, gangster it in out t That would seem to be the only American high-profile release that would trigger any kind of action, and of course none were forthcoming. If this is the case, it's a bit disappointing that money is eventually being made where it wasn't supposed to ever be made, at all. Nobody gets paid, ever, until there's nobody left who should have.. No reparations to the AFM, not piece of change for veterans. Spotify is generous, another treaty violated once it becomes convenient. Dieing for freedom! This would not be an issue if copyright, though. Copyright claim was waived in exchange for a zero-commercial use agreement. This would be more along the lines of Terms Of Use and a violation thereof. The only company to date that really matters is Columbia. I would really like to know how their legal department handled the Sinatra release.

What if the original agreements contained the phrase "in perpetuity"?

That's where most of the real meat is, imo.

Janetta Miskell - Overbite To The Stars

There's one concert where "Trajectories" is on fire. Some of that material was genetically incapable of catching fire, but it's good to have it affirmed that some of it was, and that the band would let it.

Lee Boverton - Keep The Mental Strong!!!

I think it's safe to say that Bobby always looked sharp.

Yeah, that's a full frontal Innovations record. There's also some live bootlegs out there that are of interest, some more than others.

Tutti was a regular part of the book in those days. Remember he didn't come back to the band until 1962! That Helsinki date is very good!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Kenton_Presents That's the "real" Vol. 2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Information_Agency They were the people behind Voice Of America radio. Not aware of a video arm, but why not?

And then there's the one with Bird, Willie Smith, and Benny Carter jamming with the Bat Cole Trio! A free for all and free for all of you!

I very much like the Bubbles Whitman patter, for sheer lunacy sake, once remover from historical context. Diddy Gallippy!!! Boyd Raeburn has a few really good Jubilee spots. Better than any studio records.

Or up your nose with a ... Never mind🙂‍↕️

In some places, "what not" was obtained through the bartender or other staff, cash only.

WGN- TV, Chicago 1965. This was a local series and footage has survived. For some reason it's never been released on anything but VHS.

My money would be on yellow, but don't ask me why.

There is an answer, and I'd love to know it! Either the original agreements have been officially amended or they haven't. If they haven't, then...Palo Alto! The lack of any activity on these items by any legit domestic label all these years is telling...the market would have been there 50+ years ago, more than today. Nobody cares anymore? Could be. But as long as the original contracts are still on the books, unammended, mischief makers could always pop up. If they do, some definitive ruling could be gotten. Unless if course we already have one. I am not failing to see the irony of Mosaic doing a "public domain" release, it's kinda funny!

Except...all these waivers were granted solely for one specific and limited use. If I'm understanding this correctly, the same waivers were not being ceded for any other/future use. Actually, it sounds like there were specifically to be no other/future use! Is all of the actual contractual documentation still alive in some government archive somewhere? In Palo Alto maybe? Two things are clear to me - 1. I'm getting these sets. Fuck dead people's contracts!!! 2. There's probably a good reason why no major American label has touched this stuff (or the Jubilee broadcasts) for 80 years. And that's totally free!!!

But point just being, the waiving of all payments, not just copyright, was done on a highly conditional basis, and there was no apparent expiration date of those terms. So what has changed? It's a simple question and it should have a simple answer. BTW, the same terms seem to have been applied to the AFRS Jubilee shows

{quote}He reached agreements with the AFM and AFRA (American Federation of Radio Artists) regarding waiver of all fees and royalties for musicians’ services and copyright payments for the published music. In return for these concessions, the Army agreed that V-Discs would be for the use of military personnel only and no commercial exploitation would be made of the recordings. These agreements made it possible for the Army to afford the V-Disc program by focusing funds for processing and pressing records. Similar agreements were reached by AFRS regarding their radio programs.{/quote} Ok, that's a mess ...thanks phone ..