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Garrick Utley Derrick Rose Terrick Ford

Albert's Connoted= Francy Boland

Joe = Jaws?

Oscar Predator probably = Oscar Pettiford

Yes, I have had those. Them are good apples!

Truthfully, I don't know what "dated" really means, at least not in terms of substance. If you want to talk about "style", then hell, everything is dated, or soon will be...

Rude people? In the music business? Why, that's just unacceptable!

Ever play any dance/big band jobs where the leader has a book & the players are whoever is available on any given night? "Rehearsal" = playing the gig a few times...

I've got these, and hey, if you don't, here's a good chance to. No reason not to, really. Good stuff, not anybody's mountaintop moment or anything, but still...

Different strokes and all that, of course, but I think that Mulligan had a great grasp of the textural capacities of the instrumentation and, whether consciously or not, made a great "pop-jazz" record for the 70s, just as (and in the same sense as) his records w/Baker were great "pop-jazz" records for the 50s. Interesting cross-section of players too...two generations of "west-coast jazz" finding common ground...

Would that it were so...try Brecker, Liebman/Grossman, and, increasingly, Chis Potter & Joe Lovano. Cats still "study" Trane, but not as a role model as much as the God of the Old Testament. Off the top of my head, I don't know of any players who look at any of those guys as ground zero. I do know guys who intensely study Dolphy, Marsh, and Coltrane though. None of them are over 35.

Holly Golightly Sally, who goes 'round the roses Rose Marie, who played Sally Rogers

Duck Dunn Angelo Dundee Dirty Dingus McGee

And ok, if you were into the horn bands of the turn of the decade (60s into 70s), it wouldn't hard to go from hearing Bill Chase here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yev4UNQzxTg to finding him here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMDsk2nojd0 and then somebody tells you about Maynard Ferguson doing stuff like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZIfgW2jOEo so you go out and buy a Maynard record and get this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL1Fj7LJHDA Never mind the ease with which Hendrix led to Ayler, Ayler to Bechet, Bechet to Tinkers, Tinkers to Evers to Chance, inning over, but that was just the bottom of the first and we got a double-header today, ok? In fact, let's play two every day! It seemed like it was all good, mostly because it was, even if it wasn't.

Uhhhh....

It was actually pretty easy to be "both" in the early 70s. A lot of people were still alive & playing. Hell, Louis Armstrong (of whom I had been aware all my life, although not as a Seminal 20th Century Musical Fountainhead) died my freshamn year n high school & Duke Ellington - of whom I had been aware in the same sense I had Armstrong) didn't die until my last day of high school, by which time I had become familiar with a whole bunch of his work, point being that I had four full years of him being alive and kicking as a Living Jazz Giant before he went of and became a Dead Legend. And he was far from the only one...it really didn't seem odd to look at "jazz" as a lot of different "styles" of the same basic "messages", simply because the old cats and the young cats were coexisting on the planet at the same time and creating output alongside each other, so...yeah, it was easy to get a grip on Lockjaw Davis & Pharoah Sanders, and it didn't seem odd at all...they were both out there doing it, ya' know? And hell, look at Miles. I got into jazz in 1970, and look at all the different types Miles records you could buy in 1970! And Trane...Trane had dies in 1967, which...when you first come to a guy who's already dead, even if he died just yesterday, if you've never heard of him until after he's dead, a day seems like a year and three years seems like a lifetime, but same thing with Trane - in 1970, I bought Coltrane records just becuase they were Coltrane records, right? I saw Dizzy live a few times in the early/mid 70s & he had electicguitars and basses, and nobody bitched that he was playing R&B grooves as well as bebop & Afro. What was there to bitch about? Same thing w/Cannonball, one record you'd get Bill Evans, another one George Duke. Same thing with a lot of people. It was a lot easier then. It was only difficult if you made it difficult, had an attitude about generational significance and all that, which, you know, a white suburban kid confronting this massive mostly Black legacy, who am I to bitch about - or even consider the possibility of - Roy Eldridge being "past tense", relative to Freddie Hubbard and Lester Bowie, eh?. Now that there's so much "history" that really is history, it's not so easy. Now you have no choice but to confront "then" vs "now". But the, so much of "then" was also "now". And shit - Louis Armstrong, Roy Eldridge, Dizzy Gillespie, Freddie Hubbard, and Lester Bowie - five people I once knew as living, functioning Working Jazz Artists, are all Dead Historical figures now. Would that it were so...try Brecker, Liebman/Grossman, and, increasingly, Chis Potter & Joe Lovano. Cats still "study" Trane, but not as a role model as much as the God of the Old Testament.

You are if you don't have Age Of Steam...a real gem and totally unique in Mulligan's output as it shows him not jsut confronting but embracing (successfully, I think) electricity & rock/pop rhythms & textures. It works anbd works well. Just my opinion. I also forgot about California Concerts. The original LP was a true gem (major or not). The two two CDs are maybe a bit too much, but there is much of merit there, especially the Quartet sides with Eardley & Chico Hamilton, which have a degree of free-spirited, open-ended improvisation not always present in Mulligan's studio quartet recordings.

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Carpe diem!!!! http://www.amazon.co.uk/Age-Steam-Gry-Mulligan/dp/B00002401Z/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1264934872&sr=1-3 Other than that, add the two Mulligan/Desmond colabs & for my money you've got the "essentials" covered.

Same here. But before I got into jazz, I could go from Beatles to Perry Como to Hendrix to Johnny Cash with no pain or effort. I guess I'm a "listen to the stories" kinda guy above anything else. And jazz, when I finally got around to it, had more than enough of those, seemingly infinite (and infinitely) personal variations on several common themes (themes as in "life", not musical).