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Snobs is snobs. Besides, the question/statement "Who needs Oscar Peterson when you have Hank Mobley?!?!?!?!" resonates for me as a life-statement, not just a snobby jazzsubgenre quip. Then again, I too am a snob, so take that with a grain of salt.

Who needs Oscar Peterson when you have Hank Mobley?!?!?!?!

That would make a difference, wouldn't it....

That's the American-patented Shuffle Bossa that shows up more than a few times on Blue Note over the years. Billy Higgins was really good at it.

So they changed the Gene Ammons tilte to "Jungle Soul"? That's ok? What the hell is "jungle" music? This is not an Ellington tribute album, so...Is that like "Exotica" a fabricated illusion meant to feed primal sublimation/sexual permisson fantasies? Yeah, that's probably problematic as well...and if so, how is it, in your words, "wisely retitled"? Nothing to do with cultural appropriation/stereotyping (adding stereotyping to the list)? Seriously? Because otherwise, you're just at "record companies will do any damn thing to sell a record" and again - DUH!

God, it's the bot! Two words- Zoot Sims. Not a Brazilian in sight except as composers. Good records, if a little sleepy. Two more words - Coleman Hawkins. Same thing, only far fewer Brazilian composers. Two more words - Willie Rodriguez, who turns up on a lot of records of this ilk of this time. That guy played a lot of gigs. Oh, Jobim's earliest American records, like with Nelson Riddle charts. Definitely a bit crossover-intentioned.

I will. I buy records by all kinds of bad people. And those are just the ones I know about.

Again, you mean? If cultural appropriate is not the issue, what is? Is it that it's all bad music? Well, some is, some isn't? It's "what were they thinking", then again, money. DUH! If it's "is it offensive?", then...why? Is it offensive to make bad music? Well, it SHOULD be, but in this world, we have shown that there's not a lot of traction in that offense without some other signifier being attached. So again - If cultural appropriate is not the issue, what is? and if cultural appropriation is the issue, why limit it to one narrow spectrum of American-made music when there is SO much upon which to draw? There's not enough server capacity to house all the dedicated threads that would require! Or else we can all go to a _____ restaurant, get drunk on ____ and go home and screw (somebody!), because we'd not have the guts to do it otherwise.

I do not, here is fine. I mean, cultural appropriation is the subject. If it is not, then this thread has no meaning, as the final answer is - make that money, DUH!

Oh, btw, I am not at all opposed by the music of Exotica, nor of the American Bosser Nover. But that's in spite of the numerous, and imo obvious, cultural factors surrounding it, including at times, the music. Fantasy, my ass. Take the land, take the women, kill the men, take all you want, ah, those were the days! An honest appraisal of the music without an honest appraisal of the image is not possible. and yeah, jazz, I'm talking to you too. For that matter, all "product" in general. you want to talk about "now more than ever", here we are.

I like Steve Lawrence blending with his wife. Is there a cocktail to be had there? the "Steve & Eydie"? Or a deli sandwhich? Or a cologne? Or a specific drunken screwing move? Blame it on the Steve-a-Nova!

In the same way that I consider there to be a huge difference between broccoli as a vegetable and mustard as a condiment, I think we have an agreement!

No alcohol, no screwing, just Eydie Gormet. If you're gullible enough to get misled by Eydie Gormet (much lest allow her to lead you down the path of culturally appropriated drunking and screwing), that's on you. although Steve and Edye made a decent enough Poppa Nova record with Luiz Bonfa, and her records with Los Panchos have been given pretty serious cred by people who go for that. I think she's a little too much "too much", but...not for me to say on that one. Unless you're Barry Rogers or somebody with that set of freak skills, I defy you to tell exactly what music is being played by the way people are dancing without hearing the actual music. Steps is steps, and a good dancer will know the steps. and an average-or-worse dancer will go with what they know, some or none of what they hear. So this person who would be "reasonably confused" by this is reasonably an idiot. In ballet and other art dancing, yes, dancing looks like music sounds. Otherwise,,,please.

Oh, it had nothing to do with tapping into the fantasies of GIs returning from the "Orient" with visions of private, unchecked takery of both land and flesh still dancing in their heads? Seriously? I kinda think the creating a culturally appropriated permission structure to get drunk and screw is very much based in reality. People of integrity just do it without the facades.

Oh, I get it, it's a reference to a John Barry thing from Goldfinger. But for some reason, we're now concerned with cultural appropriation from 60 years ago by a user whose ID is based upon cultural appropriation from 45-ish years ago, when really, it's all about what it's always about - money. so...there is one answer to this one question, and it's the same answer to the same question as it applies to a helluva lot more than just American Bossa Nova record-dance. Which I guess, how about "Polynesian" "exotica", no problems there, eh, sailor?

When you call yourself "Teasing the Korean", are you actually teasing an actual Korean (I hope not, such things are to be frowned upon in the strongest possible terms)? Or are you referencing a made-for-profit song from a made-for-profit movie that has no real Koreans (for whom there was zero profit!) in it?

"Bossa Nova" is one thing, "Bossa Nova Dance" something else. Like, "Push" is a verb, "Push Dance" is a noun. "Twist" is a noun, sometimes, like in a drink recipe", but "The Twist" is a dance that has nothing to do with a drink recipe, and "Peppermint Twist" has nothing to do with a aromatic green leaf. At best, it has to do with a nightclub that fetishized candy canes. If one is to become upset at the misappropriation of words, one needs to understand what words are being misappropriated. I think it's established precedent in America that you can call anything anything and it's ok, as long as there's a buck to be (possibly) made.

It was danced on soft knees that allowed for sideways sways with hip motions. So...one or two steps away from passing out drunk?

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Oddly enough, it pastes in like that, and manually adding it does not create a live link at all. Curious... But it DID have everything (literally, everything) to do with the real Bossa Nova dance!!!!! Just as The Monkey had nothing to do with real monkeys, The Mashed Potato had nothing to do with real food, and The Swim had nothing to do with real bodies of water, the dance was a product of commercially projectional American directed self-absorption, which, after all, is what Made America Great, or at least blocked out the parts that made it otherwise. In other words (but only in this world), what's reality got to do with anything where there's money to be made off a nation of suckers? Now, let's look a these so-called "fad dances", they're fun! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelty_and_fad_dances I consider it the most tragic failure of my extensive life of failures that I could never get The Monkarena off the ground and onto the floor. I tried. god knows I tired.

Having another day wit this one, it's getting better with every listen. Funny how "Third Stream" in its original iteration was at best only somewhat organic, a lot of grafting and episodsim. This is none of that, this is a totally organic music, and not just as composition. the playing is as well, it's like nobody needed a lot of "show me how to ____", sounds like everybody kinda already knew. I love it when musics come together, not as marketing or as super-collider experiments, but just because when people keep moving, at some point they start hearing each other because that's what you do when something comes into range - you either block it out totally or else you keep listening and come closer. Besides, it might not have been as evident in 1988 as it is today, but Anthony Davis is a really committed composer and all that comes with that.

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Oh, so it WAS a dance, too. A "fad dance" at that! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bossa_Nova_(dance) http://www.heritageinstitute.com/danceinfo/descriptions/bossa_nova.htm

You don't "have" to, it's just something that happens when the radio is on a lot. It's why there's a #1 song on the charts one week, and then a #2 song right underneath it. And maybe next week they've flipped. But you can't help but want to hear one song just a little bit maybemore than another one, even if you like them both.

Eat it, Ayn Rand!