Niko

ah, that's where the info was from (despite this missing detail i still recommend the other Baker bio by Jeroen de Valk); what i find remarkable is that Dameron remained the composer on so many of these (partly new?) compositions; was it because he (and his tunes) were more famous than Mundy, did this happen when the tapes were sold to prestige, was it because he had a stronger standing against Carpenter? or because he arranged Baker's recording with Carpenter; (or are others of his compositions issued as Carpenter's)...

Interesting that your Baker/Coleman/Lightsey album is called On a Misty Night. Mine is on Prestige and is called Boppin' With The Chet Baker Quintet. it's not the original album, the five(?) "...in' with the Chet Baker Quintet" albums were reissued by fantasy on three CDs called Stairway to the Stars, On a Misty Night and Lonely Star... Thanks as always, Niko, for your discographical input! I have five CDs (each of LP length) on Prestige called Boppin', Smokin', Groovin', Comin' On andCool Burnin'. Before the music is forgotten, I'll just add that they are so good, I felt I had to have all five! i am also glad that i have all three (and i was so hesitant about buying the first one i think i even started a thread about it...), George Coleman is great on them and i really like the material, not only the Dameron stuff but also many of the "Carpenter compositions" (someone posted they were by Jimmy Mundy...?)

(no idea how many percent of my posts are exactly this post, 20% maybe ) click on options in the upper right corner of the first post in some thread and change the disply mode from where it is now (outline?) to standard you probably got this when entering organissimo via google...

Interesting that your Baker/Coleman/Lightsey album is called On a Misty Night. Mine is on Prestige and is called Boppin' With The Chet Baker Quintet. it's not the original album, the five(?) "...in' with the Chet Baker Quintet" albums were reissued by fantasy on three CDs called Stairway to the Stars, On a Misty Night and Lonely Star...

this ebay listing has discograohical info: http://cgi.ebay.de/Opening-Statement-Richa...1QQcmdZViewItem edit, to make sure we don't lose this info Opening Statement - Richard Pierson, 1997 1 Jitterbug Waltz #2 3:40 2 Stay One Step Ahead 5:30 3 Straighten Up And Fly Right 3:05 4 My Favorite Things 6:21 5 Fun Funk #5 4:53 6 In Your Own Sweet Way 5:37 7 In A Sentimental Mood 5:02 8 Bruce Edwards' Blues 5:06 9 Ain't Necessarily So 4:42 10 Half Way Home 3:41 Joe Ford - Soprano and Alto Saxophone, Eli Yamin - Piano, Larry Corbin - Guitar (1), Peter Matthews - Bass, Carlos Wormley - Percussion, Richard Pierson - Drums Radam Schwartz - Organ (2,5,7), Bruce Edwards - Guitar, Bill Saxton - Tenor Saxophone, Lawrence Killian - Percussion (2,5), Kim Celeste - Vocals (3), Marion Cowings - Vocals (3), Corky Caldwell - Piano (3,8) John Ore - Bass (3,8), Geary Moore - Guitar (4,9), Big John Patton - Organ (4,9,10), Marty Fogel - Tenor Saxophone (4,9,10), Dwight West - Vocals (9), Ted Stilles - Guitar The Jazz Label Ltd, 1997 Richard Pierson another edit to add: i am not pretending that i completely understand the discographical info but i wouldn't expect BJP playing on more than three tracks...

As for Braith and Wilkerson, why not try your luck in finding the Connoisseurs? Both 3 albums on 2 CDs, both nice packages, to me both not essential in any way, but pretty enjoyable (the Wilkerson somewhat less). The Vick is terrific, that's for sure! The others I'm not familiar with (except for The Big Gundown, but that's not a Patton sideman album either... Spillane I never heard, but again my curiosity is piqued here!) Let me know what you think of the Jordan and the Griffin (isn't the Griffin also on a Collectables CD? One of those where on the cover you get no information at all, rather dubious-looking - which is why I never cared to check it up on the internet so far...) the wilkerson connoiseur i haven't seen anywhere below like 50 Euro, so i guess chances of finding three japanese cds at a lower price are pretty good if i take my time... the braith connoiseur is more difficult a decision as it's about the same price as the laughing soul (or blue john, about 15 Euro)... so three albums with Billy Gardner (who i only know (and really like) as the pianist of that Dave Bailey/Grant Green thing with Frank Haynes... ) against one with Patton... will keep you informed on griffin and jordan...

ordered the griffin and jordan because they probably won't stay below 5 Euro for long... vick is clearly above my price range at present (for that money i could get the patton select - i should get it...), japanese cds of braith and wilkerson can at the moment be found at decent prices so maybe they will follow soon... (no idea whether i like braith, as i have never heard him - i guess it's not simply if you like kirk you'll like braith, too) thanks again!

you got me curious...

one of my favorite Waits songs (favorite being the title track from swordfishtrombones)... i have the feeling i can understand it pretty well already now, hope i won't learn to understand it much better...

the jordan was reissued from wounded bird, here it is from amazon.co.uk (starting at 4 pounds) for instance: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Soul-Fountain-Clif...8467&sr=8-1 this japanese cd i found browsing a john zorn discography, collected what i found out about it here (post 26): http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...=1212&st=15 (patton just on one track) thanks for your help so far, guess i'll start with jordan and wilkerson... edit: essentially in that old thread i just gave the same link erik gave... no need to dig it out again...

hi, thought i'd open another john patton thread inbetween trying to gather his leader dates (one of the rare instances where i wish it was 1997 again) i thought i'd get some sideman stuff as well, actually i already started this i'm wondering not so much about the stuff with lou donaldson (i only have natural soul which doesn't quite blow me away guess i'll need more time, will get the other 4 albums eventually) and the stuff with grant green (well it's actually just two albums not counting iron city which have been discussed here quite a bit) but the other stuff from the sixties and seventies most of which has not been discussed here so much (and mostly with somewhat mixed feelings)... to get to the actual question: are any of these essential (or very good)? (some almost impossible to find, others, like the Clifford Jordan or the Johnny Griffin available cheaply at present) (i know the last four, and the griffin and jordan have patton only on some tracks) which is the first to get? Don Wilkerson - Shoutin George Braith - The Laughing Soul Red Holloway - The Burner (on the Legends of Acid Jazz RH) Clifford Jordan - Soul Fountain Grassella Oliphant - The Grass is Greener (actually this is already on it's way here) Johnny Griffin & Matthew Gee - Soul Groove Harold Vick - Steppin' Out Johnny Lytle - Everything Must Change Jimmy Ponder - Mean Streets. No Bridges and for completeness Jimmy Ponder - Jump (i have it, nice but not essential i'd say; easily worth it's current price) Richard Pierson – Opening Statement John Zorn - The Big Gundown John Zorn - Spillane Makigami Koichi - Koroshi No Blues thanks for any input!

had forgotten about africa brass... (listened to ole yesterday and enjoyed it a lot once again, no idea of course how similar that is) and transition... oh, oh, lots of buying needed

i have a friend who only owns Village Vanguard Master Takes and A Love Supreme... (and a good deal (say, half) of the Prestige and Atlantic stuff) what should he get next? Crecent? Transition?

there is an interesting episode in Joerg Fauser's autobiographic novel "Rohstoff" where Fauser's alter-ego does an interview with Burroughs and at the end Burroughs looks at him and says something like "you're using, too, right?" and Burroughs tells Fauser how to get off the stuff (forgot the name of the method)... this launches Fauser's switch from heroin to alcoholism and (maybe) his change from cut-up to the Bukowski influenced writing style of "Rohstoff" (have never been able to finish a book of Burroughs (or Fauser's early works ) but have spent some interesting hours with them... maybe i got them wrong but i thought they were not intended for being read from start to finish) (vaguely recall an interview with Steely Dan, where they say the got their band name from naked lunch but hadn't read the whole book either)

great one!

had John Patton - This One's for JA in the mail today but can't play it because there is no electricity in my office this morning... noticed, the japanese liner notes are different from the english ones...

strange coincidence... http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/news.php?id=17588 RIP mr percifull

ran into the most brilliant 19 year old i have ever known this morning; don't know much about mental things but at 25 he appears to be seriously in trouble (or has gone some place where i clearly cannot follow); i'd say the sparkle was gone as they say and he was talking what sounded like more or less cryptic nonsense... SAD!

i see you're finally leaving the mid-twenties... only an advantage on this board and i hope also anywhere else in life herzlichen glueckwunsch zum geburtstag!

wow, that's a strong assessment (not knowing how you like other coltrane)... are they available on cd? I don't know if they're available on CD. I'm sure someone will be able to tell us. As to my liking for/familiarity with Coltrane, I have 10 LPs and 3CDs and - yes - those three tracks are the ones I'd grab if the house started burning! I have a musician friend who knows his Coltrane well and he's of the same opinion. i'll be on the lookout...

ah, that might explain much, talking of things that might explain much, thought of you when i stumbled across this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welteislehre concerning business with young people, how much are the percy france and the dave schildkraut cds including shipping to overhere?

(being 26 years old myself... funny story, wanted to post this off topic on another thread recently but why not here... when i worked in that place for retired people one morning during breakfast (when my colleague just read a story about some young criminals from the newspaper) the woman i was just feeding said very thoughtfully "some day we will need someone like Hitler again, but this time he should go for the young people..." one of only two instances where i almost forgot that we were supposed not to take seriously what these people were saying)

maybe we can all agree concerning bass players

wow, that's a strong assessment (not knowing how you like other coltrane)... are they available on cd?

great story... wish they had sound samples! http://thejazzmasters.org/page4.html