Niko

ordered the griffin and jordan because they probably won't stay below 5 Euro for long... vick is clearly above my price range at present (for that money i could get the patton select - i should get it...), japanese cds of braith and wilkerson can at the moment be found at decent prices so maybe they will follow soon... (no idea whether i like braith, as i have never heard him - i guess it's not simply if you like kirk you'll like braith, too) thanks again!

you got me curious...

one of my favorite Waits songs (favorite being the title track from swordfishtrombones)... i have the feeling i can understand it pretty well already now, hope i won't learn to understand it much better...

the jordan was reissued from wounded bird, here it is from amazon.co.uk (starting at 4 pounds) for instance: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Soul-Fountain-Clif...8467&sr=8-1 this japanese cd i found browsing a john zorn discography, collected what i found out about it here (post 26): http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...=1212&st=15 (patton just on one track) thanks for your help so far, guess i'll start with jordan and wilkerson... edit: essentially in that old thread i just gave the same link erik gave... no need to dig it out again...

hi, thought i'd open another john patton thread inbetween trying to gather his leader dates (one of the rare instances where i wish it was 1997 again) i thought i'd get some sideman stuff as well, actually i already started this i'm wondering not so much about the stuff with lou donaldson (i only have natural soul which doesn't quite blow me away guess i'll need more time, will get the other 4 albums eventually) and the stuff with grant green (well it's actually just two albums not counting iron city which have been discussed here quite a bit) but the other stuff from the sixties and seventies most of which has not been discussed here so much (and mostly with somewhat mixed feelings)... to get to the actual question: are any of these essential (or very good)? (some almost impossible to find, others, like the Clifford Jordan or the Johnny Griffin available cheaply at present) (i know the last four, and the griffin and jordan have patton only on some tracks) which is the first to get? Don Wilkerson - Shoutin George Braith - The Laughing Soul Red Holloway - The Burner (on the Legends of Acid Jazz RH) Clifford Jordan - Soul Fountain Grassella Oliphant - The Grass is Greener (actually this is already on it's way here) Johnny Griffin & Matthew Gee - Soul Groove Harold Vick - Steppin' Out Johnny Lytle - Everything Must Change Jimmy Ponder - Mean Streets. No Bridges and for completeness Jimmy Ponder - Jump (i have it, nice but not essential i'd say; easily worth it's current price) Richard Pierson – Opening Statement John Zorn - The Big Gundown John Zorn - Spillane Makigami Koichi - Koroshi No Blues thanks for any input!

had forgotten about africa brass... (listened to ole yesterday and enjoyed it a lot once again, no idea of course how similar that is) and transition... oh, oh, lots of buying needed

i have a friend who only owns Village Vanguard Master Takes and A Love Supreme... (and a good deal (say, half) of the Prestige and Atlantic stuff) what should he get next? Crecent? Transition?

there is an interesting episode in Joerg Fauser's autobiographic novel "Rohstoff" where Fauser's alter-ego does an interview with Burroughs and at the end Burroughs looks at him and says something like "you're using, too, right?" and Burroughs tells Fauser how to get off the stuff (forgot the name of the method)... this launches Fauser's switch from heroin to alcoholism and (maybe) his change from cut-up to the Bukowski influenced writing style of "Rohstoff" (have never been able to finish a book of Burroughs (or Fauser's early works ) but have spent some interesting hours with them... maybe i got them wrong but i thought they were not intended for being read from start to finish) (vaguely recall an interview with Steely Dan, where they say the got their band name from naked lunch but hadn't read the whole book either)

great one!

had John Patton - This One's for JA in the mail today but can't play it because there is no electricity in my office this morning... noticed, the japanese liner notes are different from the english ones...

strange coincidence... http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/news.php?id=17588 RIP mr percifull

ran into the most brilliant 19 year old i have ever known this morning; don't know much about mental things but at 25 he appears to be seriously in trouble (or has gone some place where i clearly cannot follow); i'd say the sparkle was gone as they say and he was talking what sounded like more or less cryptic nonsense... SAD!

i see you're finally leaving the mid-twenties... only an advantage on this board and i hope also anywhere else in life herzlichen glueckwunsch zum geburtstag!

wow, that's a strong assessment (not knowing how you like other coltrane)... are they available on cd? I don't know if they're available on CD. I'm sure someone will be able to tell us. As to my liking for/familiarity with Coltrane, I have 10 LPs and 3CDs and - yes - those three tracks are the ones I'd grab if the house started burning! I have a musician friend who knows his Coltrane well and he's of the same opinion. i'll be on the lookout...

ah, that might explain much, talking of things that might explain much, thought of you when i stumbled across this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welteislehre concerning business with young people, how much are the percy france and the dave schildkraut cds including shipping to overhere?

(being 26 years old myself... funny story, wanted to post this off topic on another thread recently but why not here... when i worked in that place for retired people one morning during breakfast (when my colleague just read a story about some young criminals from the newspaper) the woman i was just feeding said very thoughtfully "some day we will need someone like Hitler again, but this time he should go for the young people..." one of only two instances where i almost forgot that we were supposed not to take seriously what these people were saying)

maybe we can all agree concerning bass players

wow, that's a strong assessment (not knowing how you like other coltrane)... are they available on cd?

great story... wish they had sound samples! http://thejazzmasters.org/page4.html

Pooh gosh, that IS obscure! Is it available on the Continent? MG Fopp in Cambridge has it for 12 pounds... should have gotten it but now i'm back home... (btw, reading record store recommendations on the web for cambridge i got the impression that the fopp there can't be that old (meanging it probably didn't coexist with all the shops recommended on the web which are gone by now ....) it was a lively place, lots of possibly fine stuff there in the 2-5 pound range....

four horns had me think of Tony Fruscella's great selftitled album..

As I was leaving the guy behind the counter told me that they are getting 6000 records delivered between the two stores tomorrow. seems you already made it to their vip list

ok, Prelude is now getting its second chance (more accurately, the first three minutes get a second chance, the rest gets a first chance)... just hate it when i leave a shop having bought something just because it was cheap, thinking for just 1 or 2 pounds more you could have gotten something you really wanted... (say, Andrew Hill's Judgement) but then, three pounds total for the three albums (two of them influential) can't really be a bad deal...

i feel my first credit card is coming nearer as well, always avioded one for reasons of (lack of) self-control... while in britain i bought much more diverse stuff than i usually buy, guess because there was a half-decent brick and mortar store (Fopp) and buying there always leads to other results, and there was this nice sale of whatmusic albums at 4 pounds... 23 pounds well spent on Jacques & Micheline Pelzer - Song for Rene Open Sky Unit - Open Sky Unit Vitor Assis Brasil - Tajeto (the winner of the bunch so far) The very best of Ethiopiques (2CD) Beth Orton - Central Reservation (first cd of pop music i bought in quite some time; i used to really like "Stars all seem to weep", smoother than i had remembered but some nice songs) 7 pounds i should maybe have avoided Deodato - Prelude Deodato 2 Deodato/Airto in Concert (haven't listen to most of the three so far) Paulo Moura Hepteto - Fibra

Not a slide trumpet. Don't know much about clarinets. We should all listen to more slow things, IMHO! sorry, i should have been clearer: "chalumeau" is the name of the low register on a clarinet (the warm, woody one), not of a type of clarinet. so my notes just said the guy played in the low register. i don't even know why i wrote that down. actually, a chalumeau is a musical instrument in its own right, (and a type of clarinet if you want, it's wooden and has a single reed...); not a type of clarinet you would expect to hear on a 20th century (or 21th century) jazz recording however... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalumeau (and besides that there is of course the other meaning of the word which you used... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalumeau_%28disambiguation%29 )