robertoart

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-26/tina-turner-to-become-swiss-citizen/4485234

Yeah, here's an opportunity for you and your mates to get in on the act... A 4cd reverse racism tribute to Syl Johnson... 'Somethings been holding us back, Is it because we're not Black' Nasty. MG http://dothemath.typepad.com/dtm/the-sandke-affair-1-can-white-cats-play-jazz.html http://blog.adlermusic.com/2011/01/randy-sandkes-book-and-its-critics-including-me.html http://news.jazzjournalists.org/2010/12/book-reviews/ http://news.jazzjournalists.org/2011/01/jazz-race-politics-randy-sandke-replies-to-howard-mandel/

Yeah, here's an opportunity for you and your mates to get in on the act... A 4cd reverse racism tribute to Syl Johnson... 'Somethings been holding us back, Is it because we're not Black'

Yes, both "Free Jazz" and Ascension" have composed frameworks/sign posts, but don't the improvised contributions/interactions of the specific players at their best not only make up the majority of each work but also serve as the chief points of interest, compared to the relatively loose weave of the composed parts? BTW, I never heard it (don't believe it was recorded, only performed), but my favorite "loony tune" idea of the sort we've been talking about is David Murray's orchestration of Paul Gonsalves "Dimineundo and Crescendo in Blue" solo from Newport. Randy Sandke should have done it instead.

Grant Green - Mozart Symphony No. 40 in G Minor-1st Movement ......with that awesome Urban-Funk middle bit

Arthur Blythe - One Mint Julep Pharoah Sanders - Giant Steps

Johnny Winter is a great redneck guitar player. I used to not like him at all, but I have changed. It may have been a mid-life crisis. But there's no shame in saluting late 60's early 70's Johnny Winter, especially in the context of American/British Blues Rock players. And then there's the Great Fatsby Leslie West! Jimi Hendrix and John McLaughlin were Mountain fans.

That's what all the Buddhists say.

so your answer is actually: "nothing." thank you. Just remembered you were working with them, back in the day. MG i also was one of the folks who helped introduce Herbie, Wayne and Tina to Buddhism. i practiced for approximately 12 years. interesting that Herbie and Wayne are still going "gung-ho" but i essentially stopped practicing in the early '80s!! in Tina's autobio, which freelancer refers to, she writes about all of that. I only half remember the 'tele-movie' with Lawrence Fishburn(?) as Ike. I haven't read the book. So did you think of Buddhism as a Religion, or as a form of mind training? Why did you stop practicing? I was a Bahia for about four years. Most regretful and embarrassing move I ever made in life. And I made a few.

Johnny Winter! Now there is a White Bluesman (in his heyday) who could play it loud and mean. Faster, tougher, more authentic, and more 'Heavy", than any Englishmen. The real man's Stevie Ray Vaughan.

They could have acknowledged the tunes they stole(Wille Dixon, et al) Everybody stole. It was the nature of the beast. Many have had a "hard-on" for Zep from the beginning. Nothing new. I also found it funny that the "Roosky" who was honored that night wasn't even mentioned here. Surely a citizen of the former Soviet Union (the "Evil Empire") who sought political asylum during the height of the Cold War being honored by the American gov't would make for a more tantalizing/polarizing discussion. After all, it's not like there's been a shortage of equally talented American ballet dancers in our history (other than Edward Villella, who was so honored in 1997). Ballet dancing! Now your talking!

It doesn't really have anything to do with it per se. However, I suppose I hear of a lot of musicians who have turned to Buddhism. Larry Coryell, in his autobiography, places great emphasis on being introduced to chanting by Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter, and how this helped transform him from Alcoholism. And I am often confused about the difference between people (Western Buddhists exactly), who follow a meditation tradition, or chanting or whatever, and those that actually embrace the Religion as an ideology. Personally, I find it a perplexing thing and that devotees can be quite ambiguous about this. So whereas, Buddhism as it is practiced and organised in Countries indigenous to it - is as much cultural as Religious - for Westerners, it seems to float somewhere between 'self help' and actual Religion with a capital R. I think, in the Tina Turner biopic (at the end), they tended to frame Tina's Buddhism as her solace and self-healing mechanism - to counteract the residual psychic trauma of her life with Ike. I wonder though, how or if, they would have dealt with it had Tina embraced Islam - or become a Born Again proselytising Christian like Donna Summer? So in the West, Buddhism has this 'touchy feely' non intrusive, passive, goodwill attached to it, when at it's heart they still try and divine 'god child' beings like the Panchen Lama. So admittedly it does shit me a bit. And I quite like the way Social critics like Slavoj Zizek attack this Middle Class Buddhist mindset and the way this plays out in the West .

That would be interesting indeed. But also, with a tradition and recorded legacy as great as The Blues, impeccable taste is par for the course. i have always felt that the British Blues Rock artists were good at acknowledging the Blues 'in the general' but rather more sheepish about acknowledging it 'in the particular'. This was in some contrast to many of the more 'grassroots' American 'White' Blues players and enthusiasts (especially some of the acoustic or 'fingerstyle' players' who often had "hands on' or disciple/student' relationships with many of the major Black players). I remember reading insights, at various times, regarding people like Rev. Gary Davis, Fred McDowell, and others. Interestingly I remember reading Mississippi Fred McDowell being asked directly, how he felt about hearing his musical culture appropriated by so many others...his gracious reply was that...he took comfort from knowing that, no matter what or how anyone chose to claim or appropriate his music...those same people always knew in their hearts where they got it from. This was from a 1970's Guitar Player interview I think. How I loved reading the interviews with those Old Black Masters in that magazine especially. An interview with Pee Wee Crayton also springs to mind.

I bet Ike was as disappointed as anyone that the record didn't sell in the States. He would have had to of been some kind of a sociopath not too.

You're a fair dinkum Dickhead most of the time, really. If Benson always sucked, so did McDuff, GG, Wes Montgomery, Lou Donaldson, Larry Young and the whole Soul Jazz time. Listen to Beyond The Blue Horizon and then tell Lonnie Smith he's not a real Doctor. Hot Dog.

I've read you mention this Beck thing a few times. I'm sure it's of the quality you say it is. Still... He does belong in the Jazz-Rock Mullet Hall Of Fame, no doubt about that. Johnnie Ray. For being the bridge between Sinatra and Elvis in the heartthrob stakes. At least in Australia anyway. And what's with Keith Richards giving Buddy Guy his guitar at the end of that Stones Concert film? What's all that about. Comes across as a very patronising, paternalistic gesture from 'The Great White Blues Player'. Did Richards just spring that on Buddy Guy? Buddy Guy should have hit Richards over the head with it and given him a contrecoup injury.

Yeah. I know I'm getting old; the bumping of long-dead threads is more enjoyable than the new ones... Well actually one thing I noticed reading this thread, is that everyone focussed on the music and singing. No one mentioned George Benson's youthful SEX APPEAL. That was the equal main ingredient of your crossover right there. Ask all the women in your lives about George Benson and THAT Chromatics be damned BTW, the idea (expressed in this thread), that he was always at heart a singing entertainer is absurd. He was like...what...3 years old when he was LittleGB. He definitely got the guitar bug bad later on, because he often recounts banging on the motel doors of every Jazz guitarist that came through his town to get insights and lessons. Simply the greatest Wes, Grant, Kenny immediate disciple there was...who had PLENTY of other options...unlike Pat Martino or Jerry Hahn or Larry Coryell. Even great guitarists like Wilbert Longmire and Jimmy Ponder exercised their vocal abilities a la Benson. Ever hear Larry Coryell's 'psychedelic vocal tunes'.

My understanding of how this works at the Kennedy Center is that the Artist being honored is typically paid tribute by others influenced by him or her and generally they seem to be of a younger generation than the honoree. Given that Beck is rather more of a contemporary of Zep's and arguably as much as or more of an influence on Page than the other way around, then it would not make sense for Beck to be honoring Zep. That would be kind of like McCartney honoring Badfinger! ha ha. Beck an influence on Page? Picture that. All the Clapton "God" talk aside, Mr. Page was THE preeminent blues-influenced rock guitarist in England during the early to mid 60s. Like Beck, he was influenced by American blues musicians. What some here don't seem to get is that the Kennedy Center was essentially honoring the American art form by honoring Buddy Guy and Led Zeppelin. And, as far as validity and the inane post above goes, rock and jazz are equal bastard step-children of the blues. IF America had produced a rock act even close to the equal of Led Zeppelin in influence and virtuosity, I'm sure that act would have been honored before the "blimeys". Like I said above, the bigger reason that it wouldn't have made sense for Beck to honor Zeppelin was that Beck was jealous of Zeppelin. You want some more negative/jealous homeland reaction to Led Zeppelin, check out Keith Richards' ridiculous interview on you tube. if you really want to be realistic about the 'British Invasion' and Blues and Rock, check out the feeble latter day performances on Red White and Blues? on Scorsese's series. Beck, Lulu, Van the Man etc. Or google some of the youtube jams of Wood and Keef jamming basic 12 bars on acoustics What did the British Rock acts really contribute? Taking the declarative and extroverted performance culture of Black America and sending it back as posturing narcissistic spectacle for the masses. The Beatles probably distilled Black American music better (before psychedelia) because their focus was on the song structures and harmonies of Black American Pop. Beck seems to have spent the better part of his creativity trying to sidestep the Blues and sound like a violin playing Pavarotti of the Electric guitar. that was after he tried his hand at Fusion

Well Ike was hardly gonna not have the song in the repertoire. He had to do something to it to make it stage and band friendly. Tina Turner and Buddhism...

'Can't get it in the shops' it will all make sense when you click on 'The Mighty Boosh' link in the post above.

FAB Gerry. http://www.abc.net.a...on-dies/4444400 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2253506/Gerry-Anderson-dies-Thunderbirds-creator-went-war-real-Lady-Penelope.html

I dunno. A friend of mine opened for him at The Hollywood Bowl a year or so ago so I went to see her and the place was pretty full. Really. Some of the recent youtube clips look like he's lost a large amount of his audience. Those clips can be deceiving I guess. In Australia he plays at 'The Hilton'. Definitely a dinner and show kind of crowd.

RIP Miss yoyo.