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Well that's quite an elaboration In that I'm more clear on what you were getting at. It's also fairly obvious when you hear someone who has modelled their playing on a past great. In fact, it might be even 'harder' in some ways to sound 'like a chip off the old block', than to actually be your own man/woman. In as much as, the myopia of a 'one player' obsession, would seem to be an almost impossible act to maintain in this day and age. As opposed to the Charlie Parker era, per say, where almost the opposite was true.

Would have loved to have seen in him in his home turf Bar. And yep. If you want raw and nasty...bypass the pedals.

Would you elaborate on "influence" turning into "ownership of voice" a little? I am interested in what you are saying here, but would appreciate you fleshing it out a bit. If you care to.

What's so Uhhhh...about this jsngry? It's so damn...angular. And the sailors are maniacally goose-stepping, except for the guy down in the corner who looks like he's about to get a bayonet in the gut while holding a plate behind his back. And there's a midget girl poised to collect a urine sample from the flying goose-stepping sailors in a champagne glass. and the color-geometric combination is, like...this should not be happening, please don't look, you will not like what you see, so I'm all like, "Uhhhh....I agree, so why did you put it on an album cover then"? Now that you put it like that...

...just like Noah heh.

Oh I see. I was thinking American In Paris perhaps?

That's great. Has he got any other ideas? How about streaming some of the long hoped for 'rejected' sessions! Grant Green with Kenny Dorham, Ike Quebec, Gene Harris etc. The 'trainwreck' or others that people have been interested in. Must have cost them 20 minutes of someone's wages to get the Montreax stream up and running. Or is Michael Cuscuna still 'discerning' the lie of the land for us all. Maybe they could even get someone to have another look for a few of the 'missing' tape boxes as well. Who knows what they might turn up?

So Claude Bartee went on to play with Aquarian Dream in the 70's. A band I never knew of.

I thought the 'inside' sticker was a nice touch. If potentially a bit misleading to prospective listeners

And that's the thing...I don't really consider it to be "smug" if you're representing the truth...it's kinda like the old "if you got it, flaunt it" thing. I got no real problem with that. To me, "smug" is more like when you're self-satisfied but somebody could easily come along an knock that smugass look off your face without too terribly much effort. So to that end, Johnny Guitar is just BAAAAAD, nothing smug about it. Did he in fact have the real mutha for ya'? Why yes, I believe he did! But this is not my game, so I'll play by the house rules. Yes indeed. Perhaps another thread entitled... 'album covers of badasses that lack humbleness, modesty and self-effacement'

My talent and beauty repudiate your silly camera....

What's so Uhhhh...about this jsngry?

Very candid. Mal Waldron heh That's sock'in it to em.

Your cover is not showing? Maybe you're right though. . Maybe personally, I just have a highly sensitive paranoid 'smug' meter that goes off in my head. Perhaps anyone mugging for the camera with a happy and content face can be projected onto as 'smug'. So maybe a bit of 'poetic' licence to the term smug. But every time I look at these covers and think of 'smug' I can't help laughing. Especially those Classical ones Now that Mahavishnu/Devadip album. That is the worst kind of 'smug'. It is 'passive aggressive' smug . I have involuntarily sworn at that cover ever since I first seen it when I was about 14. Thank God they marginalised Larry Young on the packaging/project Orrin Keepnews is the winner. I agree. Rieu is 'smug'. Jeez I hope his 15minutes are over. Why does David Murray always look stoned?

Interesting post CJ. Very sad to read though. I guess that explains why he never came forward during the Andrews Green biography The creative communities must have lost a lot of people during that time that weren't as well known as some. Did the Japanese re-issue have extra info (I've never known if those Japanese inserts contained a wealth of added info to the liner notes or not?), or did you find this out through personal research? Very sad none the less. I remember seeing a picture of Claude Bartee jamming with Billy Higgins but can't remember which book it was in. Maybe a Leonard Feather encyclopedia perhaps. I think I had a kind of love-hate relationship with Bartee's playing on Grant's albums. But Grant must have dug it a lot. His sound on Betcha By Golly Wow is sweet and tart in a good way. A great album any way you look at it.

A little off topic, but certainly worthy of more research...

And the winner is... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4hrjGgbGQY Ben Affleck - where is my volume

Claude Bartee (ts), Willie Bivens (vib), Neal Creque (p So I guess Grant Green was sitting in with Pucho's band in those clubs in New York no doubt, seen as he built his new sound around these guys. Shelton Laster says in the Andrews Green bio that, 'Grant and Claude go way back'. This seems to suggest they knew each other even before the days of this band. St. Louis maybe? + the John Patton connection - Vincent McEwan (tp), Harold Alexander (ts, fl)

This is one of my favourite threads ever. Keep em coming please. I find this hilarious in a smug kind of way and of course... the shirtless wonder.

Have you got his version handy?