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Who dressed Gregg.? According to the youtube comments it was Ace Frehley. The hair? My guess is Mama Cass sat on one of Billy Preston's wigs.

Hey, this is supposed to be a non-political thread! Those are some pretty sweeping generalized statements. Crimes against oneself may not be, but crimes against one's family can be considered crimes against humanity. The bigger picture crime exposed here is the way the NCAA and college sports programs treat student athletes like cattle to make a buck in the name of providing an education to those who can't afford one. THIS is what needs to change in the world of supposed academia. This is why I can tell anyone who asks without having to think about it the exact number of college sporting events I watch each and every year -- ZERO. No I meant when you hurt yourself - you are also hurting the people who love you. I didn't mean intentionally hurting those people, just that they are also the inadvertent victims of (usually what is) drug and alcohol abuse and also things related to Mental Health issues. With regards to the political content - what is the difference between raising the issue of harm to this person, Sandusky, (with a diagonal nod of approval for this person being harmed and/or killed by other inmates as some posts suggest) or raising the spectre of the State doing it? BTW I disagree with death penalties for the reason that innocent people will always be sentenced. I understood what you meant. There is a "diagonal nod of approval" for hurting Sandusky because what he did is considered disgusting to the core of every decent human being. For me, being a parent only serves to drive this point even further home. Don't turn this into yet another legalize mary jane debate. Maybe we need more mental health hospitals in this country. Good luck finding top notch shrinks to work 'em though! Your critique of the penal system in this country is tired and old. It's what we got. It's really quite simple -- you wanna avoid experiencing its shortcomings firsthand, you stay on the straight and narrow. Dig? Not turning it into anything. Just a bit bemused by posters suggesting there is some kind of moral order in the penal system that's going to give this perpetrator his just desserts. The reality will be far more mercantile and pragmatic. Could be someone murders him for reasons you suggest, like a chance to grab the spotlight, but I doubted. A lot of circumstances would have to be aligned for that to happen. He will more than likely just rot quietly away. At least his victims were vindicated by their day in court, because that's more than most victims get. Hopefully it will help their healing, if that's possible.

And Larry Coryell. But they never made it to the studio. Didn't know he played with Robin Trower. I only really know Trower from a live LP I had with the song 'Too Rolling Stoned' I used to dig that one. Lifetime was amazing. I suspect it was one of those bands that never got documented for the ages the way it should have. I also love the Ted Dunbar version, and enjoy the video clip of that band. Wonder how the McLaughlin/Bruce/Young band sounded live.

Hey, this is supposed to be a non-political thread! Those are some pretty sweeping generalized statements. Crimes against oneself may not be, but crimes against one's family can be considered crimes against humanity. The bigger picture crime exposed here is the way the NCAA and college sports programs treat student athletes like cattle to make a buck in the name of providing an education to those who can't afford one. THIS is what needs to change in the world of supposed academia. This is why I can tell anyone who asks without having to think about it the exact number of college sporting events I watch each and every year -- ZERO. No I meant when you hurt yourself - you are also hurting the people who love you. I didn't mean intentionally hurting those people, just that they are also the inadvertent victims of (usually what is) drug and alcohol abuse and also things related to Mental Health issues. With regards to the political content - what is the difference between raising the issue of harm to this person, Sandusky, (with a diagonal nod of approval for this person being harmed and/or killed by other inmates as some posts suggest) or raising the spectre of the State doing it? BTW I disagree with death penalties for the reason that innocent people will always be sentenced.

It's a pity the death penalty is negatively weighted against the innocent and usually disadvantaged. While jails remain full of people who otherwise have done no lasting harm over time to anyone but themselves - and their loved ones.

Sounds like a good band. With lots of Organ too. Chewy. You must try West, Bruce and Laing - Why Dontcha and Live and Kicking.

Anyone know Miriam Margolyes. Oh boy, Miriam's a funny lady. I thought she was still in Australia doing her Dicken's thing. My link

He wont. Time will tell though.

Yes, there's even a good chance that even the prison guards will "turn a blind eye" to ensure that he gets taken out. I'd be more than a little surprised if he gets to serve even 3 months of his sentence. The prison system would have more than a few perpetrators like this guy. The difference being this guy was famous and influential and was able to construct systems to gain opportunities to offend. He will serve his time. I would be surprised if anyone got to him fatally in prison. Money still talks (and swears). There was another similar case to this that UK members will know, regarding a wealthy and influential Cricket writer/identity. Similar to the scenario Larry Kart has outlined above, this person - Peter Roebuck - constructed elaborate structures to 'support' Black African male youth. It was shamefully overlooked by the 'establishment', who obviously couldn't confront the pathetic reality underlining Roebuck's exploitation. When eventually, it appeared his 'world' was about to unravel - through people speaking out - he jumped to his death from his hotel window.

Another interesting line up for a Lifetime tribute band following on from the Trio Beyond, Jack DeJohnette/Larry Goldings/John Scofield - Saudades project. Still think Vernon Reid's guitar tone sounds like a transistor radio at times.

I also remember reading a quote from Jack Bruce (if memory serves) almost 'bragging' that when Cream got to America all the Blues players they had 'emulated' were now using the Cream arrangements for their own tunes. I suppose that's an influence Or Jack was trippin.

Here is the Hound Dog Band with Brewer Phillips playing lead. Brewer is on fire on this one. It sounds like someone is firing bullets over his head. I think this song encourages drinking MG you won't like this one

There's still some audio on there from the Maxwell Street recordings - some people believe the lead guitarist on this and on Peter Gunn Jam to be Mike Bloomfield - though most evidence, as I read it, points to Robert Wow. That wasn't on the vinyl. I've never heard that. Thanks cih. Can we got a thumbs up off you on this one MG Still sounds like the notes and phrasing of Nighthawk on this to me. Just a bit more sprightlier than the other tracks. There is also the Red Top with the Ornithology quote. That was a mind-bender when I first heard that - many years ago. I see it's been attributed as 'Red Top/Ornithology - Little Arthur King'. Can't find any online audio though. It's a pity the video has been taken down for copyright reasons. Bit of a cheek for a White-fella to claim copyright on that film footage.

I agree. This isn't an argument - it's just contradiction.

That's totally understandable. She should always be on the majors. wikipedia says...... Never afraid to fight for what she believed in, Lee passionately insisted that musicians be equitably compensated for their work. Although she realized litigation had taken a toll on her health, Lee often quoted Ralph Waldo Emerson on the topic: "God will not have his work be made manifest by cowards."

I'm working on it - the old part that is. leftist atheist - I'm sure there are people in the world who 'aint - but they shouldn't listen to 'Jazz' - or Blues. White Capitalist Pigs. And probably Chauvanists too.

Your a hard man to please if you don't like Hound Dog Taylor MG. More than just an Elmore James stylist. You're not missing much by overlooking the post-Rock Blues/Rock era - especially with your encyclopaedic knowledge of so much music - but not liking Elmore James surprises me. I'm not really sure that the Rock influence was that great on HDT, I think of him as being at the joyous and raucous end of the Blues. I was trying to find the incredible piece of footage showing Robert Nighthawk playing on Maxwell Street - but it appears to have been removed from youtube. That footage is raw and intense and probably is a good counterpoint to the HDT clip. Similar sounds just different emphasis on the 'groove'.

This whole area of debate is a vexing one. Maybe I'm wrong or overestimating the Stevie Ray Vaughan thing. But it seemed that at some point someone flicked a switch and you just couldn;t find any major surviving bluesman having any musical visibility whatsoever unless it was in the company or spotlight of higher profile Rock or Blue/Rock stars. Buddy Guy was subsumed to a certain extant into this and so was John Lee Hooker. I remember going to see Buddy Guy around this time (after discovering his Vanguard albums from the late 60's early 70's ), after starting promisingly enough, the concert just did a u-turn for the rest of the night, while Buddy did a vaudeville act based around impersonations of famous guitarists. Apparently, live, he is still like this. The marketing seemed to overtake the art in Blues. I liked to think somewhere in the US, there were still mythical bars and clubs where something beautiful and fun was happening like Hound Dog Taylor. The closest I got to this, was seeing Bobby Rush on the Scorsese documentaries. Robert Cray was also someone I remember getting heavily promoted around the SRV time, and there was an album with Johnny Copeland and Albert Collins I think. Anyway I think you could argue, that the Rock players from the Blues side of the ledger had some influence on the Blues legends at least in terms of how these great artists chose to (or were encouraged too) present themselves on records for better or worse. At least in these later years.I do think the harder edge of the Texas based Blues Rock tradition, had some influence on the Blues - while probably less was the case with the influence (if any) of the Butterfield/Bloomfield Harvey Mandel scene. I suppose the real interest of your question though, is the more formative years of Rock n Roll and Blues, of which more interesting and fluid influences probably exist - if at least through the amount of musicians that possibly played in bands of both genres (and more). About Hound Dog Taylor, well, I think I remember you (MG) writing something about you most appreciating music that was a genuine representation of the social/cultural life of it's people (apologies if I have wrongly interpreted that). Well there could be no more authentic example of that than the Hound Dog Taylor band I think. Sadly there seems to be little Hound Dog footage surviving, but here is an idea of what the band must have been like 'on home ground'.

It could be comedy that doesn't announce itself as comedy. But I am glad to see what my Sennheiser signal looks like on a graph. I couldn't go the distance though.

Yes Ok. Is there a difference in this context between the terminology 'country' music and 'hillbilly' music. Most of the archival interviews I've read by Blues and R&B musicians often refer to these influences in reference to what they heard on radio. I wonder if in those days whether actual terms like Western Swing or Country music were active in Black musicians language. It also seems like a lot of the musicians with this influence come from Texas. You can also hear this in Herb Ellis too, on the jazz side.

Magic Sam and Earl Hooker, and Hound Dog too for that matter, all had country music influences too.. (+ Ike Turner) In the Earl Hooker biog (Danchin?) theres a description from Dick Shurman of a typical Hooker gig - late sixties - how it goes from R&B at the start of the night through to straight blues when the audience are 'ready'. He made tapes & some extended swinging guitar workouts are on a CD (can't remember title at the moment) - very nice jazzy renditions of Dust My Broom and others How would you define the country influences. I find it hard to hear that in Hound Dog Taylor at least. From what I know of Hound Dog Taylor's music , there was no difference to what the band played at first in the bars, to what they played to the larger audiences once their popularity grew. I also read that Hound Dog slighted his own talent a bit. I can definitely hear the Country or Hillbilly in Gatemouth Brown, but he was a bit of what would now be known as a roots music polymath. And I believe he attributed some of this to contact with Pee Wee Crayton, who also could play in that early Charlie Christian style a bit.

Breaks the ice at parties.

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Regarding Rock music, I think Stevie Ray Vaughan had a big influence in the transition of the way record companies and Blues musicians presented the music. I actually think of Vaughan as a Rock musician. Even though he played Blues tunes, he was very much about merging Albert King and Jimi Hendrix. And he was part of Rock music mainstream, in the fact that it was David Bowie who introduced his playing to a mainstream Rock audience (when it was still possible to connect Blues Rock to Popular music tastes). Johnny Winter was similar in the late sixties/seventies. But certainly Buddy Guy's (and maybe even Albert Collins) presentation of his music on record and live - seemed to change after the emergence and popularity of Vaughan. Perhaps because the first wave of Blues into Rock had run its course by the end of the Seventies. So the connection between Psychedelic Rock and Blues - late 60's early Seventies - and the harder edged Texas Blues and Rock of the 60's and 70's ie Johnny Winter, was re-invogorated commercially by SRV. Initially though, in that first wave of post-60's Rock influence on Blues, Jimi Hendrix probably changed virtually every Blues player who could exploit any of Hendrix's style commercially as well. Perhaps Black Blues musicians who were conscious of Black audiences, fluidly moved between R&B and Soul, while those that wanted to reach mainstream Whiter audiences, incorporated the 'harder edge' Blues Rock influences - or if not totally, at least made LP's with that in mind - ie. Muddy/Johnny Winter, Freddie King/ Leon Russell or even earlier the Howlin Wolf Album, Electric Mud or Hooker and Heat. The times when Blues musicians incorporated other Black Urban influences like Soul, seem to be actual influences at the core of the music. Whereas when Blues musicians incorporated Rock music (back then anyway), it seems more about marketing and audience growth, and doesn't seem to be a change from within. The younger musicians, like Gary Clarke Jr., the Blues and Rock influences seem totally at one. here is something I was listening to the other day; in the words Lou Donaldson used to use (probably still does) the Syreeta one 'upsets' me.

How did you find out what was going to be released and when, back then. Did you have to rely on relationships with record store owners? And yes, Grant would have been great on CTI. Especially early. I read that because CTI didn't have the funds at first for the big productions, they recorded their initial signings in traditional settings, so we got Benson's Beyond The Blue Horizon and Stanley Turrentine's Sugar etc. Two of the great LP's of their careers.