Guy Berger

What do you mean by "economic strength"? Guy Consumption and production as a sign of industrial strength. 1) Since agriculture and services can be important sectors of economy, "industrial strength" and "economic strength" are not the same thing. 2) Since poorer economies tend to use dirtier technologies, they also tend to have much higher emissions/GDP ratios. 3) India and China have huge populations, and obviously that's going to make their emissions large. If their populations were 1/10th as large, we wouldn't be having this conversation. (Nobody is starting threads about the Luxembourg's economic strength.) Guy

What do you mean by "economic strength"? Guy

Let me be upfront: I haven't heard the Grant Green album in question. Also, AFAIK, I've never heard Peter Bernstein. I also agree that all other things being equal, it's better to go to the source rather than to the imitators. That said, if this is an n-th tier GG album, I don't see any reason to recommend it over presumably superior work by Bernstein (assuming it exists). Guy

I'm interested to see whether there's really a market for this brand. Guy

Get better, man! Guy

Annoying hipster poses never go out of fashion, unfortunately...hard to even appreciate the points in there that I agreed with to some extent, simply because those quoted were reekin' of the old attitude. And yeah, SGT. PEPPER is somewhat overrated, but hasn't that been said about ten thousand times by previous indiots? (Term courtesy of my friend Linn Tate.) C'mon, kids, get a fresh start--bash REVOLVER for a change. Let me add that a fraction of musicians from any genre (and people in general) are wankers. The question is why we/music journalists/The Guardian care any more about what these specific wankers think than they do about Bon Jovi's insights.. Guy

D'oh, I forgot about the version on Exposure. (Which I haven't heard.) The piano-and-voice version appears on Gabriel's Shaking the Tree compilation and was recorded in 1990. I assume that's also the version on the more recent 2 cd compilation. Guy

indie rock musicians pick the "most overrated" album While I didn't find most of their arguments to be convincing, they did manage to convince me that some indie rock musicians are annoying wankers. Guy

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I heard the piano-and-voice version first, and strongly prefer it to the earlier, rock-and-orchestra version. The latter strikes me as a lot of empty bombast. Whereas the stark arrangement on the 1990 version (as well as Gabriel's more ragged voice) brings out a lot more of the lyrics' emotional resonance. Guy

It isn't small to the coach who was fired, the program that was dismantled, or especially the three young men who had their entire lives turned upside down. But it should be "small" to the rest of us. Chuck is right. Guy

yes, they are distributed and i don't know if also manufactured by Universal. they carry their logo. just repressings of the old late 80s/early 90s OJCs though. but it looks like the full catalog has been repressed. to be honest i was quite surprised when i first saw them pop up. but isn't there another thread about that? and about hoarding: i've been on some mad shopping sprees myself chasing down what i saw as old, soon to be or already OOP titles in the past. but i've had nasty suprises, like seeing them pop up some time later or while still shrink wrapped in my back log. i'm much more careful now. and what's been recommended here is well worth having. no doubt. Count me as a skeptic about your claim. Amazon.fr, amazon.com and amazon.co.uk list Don Friedman's Metamorphosis and Charles McPherson's Con Alma as OOP. I imagine there are many other titles like this. Guy

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Really? I've noticed a lot of the OJC items are now OOP on amazon. Are they in print in Europe? Guy

I spent a lot of hours in the late 80s and (maybe?) early 90s playing on the NES. Guy

The comment about "the sound of jazz" is just arrogance, plain and simple. Guy

Eh. Let's keep things in perspective. Bangs was just a writer. Guy

Congrats to you and your family! Guy

I wouldn't worry too much about Ornette* -- this doesn't sound too serious. Hope he gets better soon. Guy *Aside from worrying that he's really old!

And the "good sense" to die young, before he managed to produce a large discography. Guy

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I wonder if John Lennon's murder has granted him some immunity to criticism. Guy

I'm no Sun Ra expert, but it seems to me that The Magic City and Heliocentric Worlds Vol 1 are essential documents of mid-1960s free jazz. (Heliocentric #2 is good too, but not quite as essential IMHO.) Guy

Was this experiment conducted in Britain? I was wondering about the teeth. Guy