Guy Berger

Eric Dolphy, Out to Lunch Jimmy Smith, Back at the Chicken Shack Larry Young, Unity Andrew Hill, Point of Departure Jackie McLean, Let Freedom Ring Wayne Shorter, Et Cetera Grant Green, Idle Moments Horace Silver, Blowin' the Blues Away Thelonious Monk, Genius of Modern Music vol. 2 Herbie Nichols BN box set, disc 1

What if I ask really nicely? Let me narrow down the criteria a bit: which have really good saxophone playing? Guy

What if I told you that AllenLowe works for the LA Jazz Institute? Guy

FWIW, someone at AAJ posted that they have been having issues with yourmusic's customer service. Guy

mommy, What are your favorite Hutcherson and Morgan albums? Guy

I take it you haven't seen one of these:

It wouldn't surprise me if Olds comes back at some point, given our culture's fascination with retro. That said, the new producer might not be an "American" company. Guy

I'll give Our Thing a spin today.

UP, concert on Saturday.! NYC-NJ-CT board members, let's meet up. Guy

Kerkorian's not that young. I think he is 89 or 90. Guy

Interesting article. Guy

link The woman on the cover reminds me of a chicken. Guy

By the way, if you have never watched "Curb Your Enthusiasm", are curious and are willing to sit through 3 10-minute youtube clips, here is the all-time classic CYE episode "The Doll": link

Since this comment is at the tail end of a long thread it probably won't get any traction but... In reading amazon reviews of this album, I get the feeling that there's a "school of thought" that says this album is indeed a classic, but pretends that Dolphy doesn't play on the album. As if they plug their ears whenever he steps up to the mike. Weird. Guy

I assumed it was scenario 2, but perhaps I was too hasty. I was discussing this with Conn500 over the weekend and my theory is that over the next 50 years, the GM brand (the only thing that's still valuable about the corporation) will be sold to a European- or Asian-based company. Guy

In this case, yes, but the two terms aren't equivalent. A torrent is a specific, relatively efficient way of downloading internet files. Guy

Copenhagen probably ranks in my top three. To avoid doubling with Holy Ghost, I picked up the three extra tracks off of emusic. So to clarify, if I get the Holy Ghost box, will I acquire the most significant Copenhagen material? Guy

Here's a list of the most downloaded torrents of any genre: 1 Jimi Hendrix Experience - Sotheby's auction tapes 5,405 2 AC/DC - LONDON - HAMMERSMITH ODEON - 16th OCTOBER 1982 (GREAT AUDIENCE RECORDING) 4,937 3 Simon and Garfunkel - 2003-12-20 SBD 4,498 4 DAVID LEE ROTH - Live In Finland 26-6-1999 - PRO SHOT DVD NTSC 4,232 5 CREAM - 2nd Night at MSG - Schoeps - 15th Row, FOB 4,210 6 Beck - Detroit Sept 22, 2005 - State Theatre 4,127 7 TOOL 2006-08-22 - Vancouver 4,048. 8 Jimi Hendrix - Out in the Sun (acoustic) 3,719 9 TOM WAITS SOLO AT THE MAIN POINT JAN 4, 76 SB SHN 3,617. 10 Cream - Madison Square Garden 10-24-05 Do What You Like! 3,549 The oldest torrents are: 1 Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers 04-19-03 1,509 2 Jimi Hendrix Experience - Sotheby's auction tapes 5,405 3 Simon and Garfunkel - 2003-12-20 SBD 4,498 4 Jimi Hendrix - Out in the Sun (acoustic) 3,719 5 Eric Clapton - Songs For Layla (Live 02-1991) 504 6 The Who Keith Moon Compilation 791 7 Yes 04-18-1979 SBD Le Colisee Quebec City, Quebec - in memory of Doyce Hodum 1,294 8 Pink Floyd 1969-09-17 Complete Concertgebouw shn 944 9 Grateful Dead 1991-11-03 NTSC DVD (16:9 widescreen, 5.1 audio) NEW RELEASE 1,101 10 Bob Marley - Dennis Thompson Mixes - 1977 - SBD FLAC 1,400 The only one of these that I have is the Floyd '69 Complete Concertgebouw. guy

This again begs the question of what is meant by "overrated." Does it mean that a given artist is liked more than they "should" be? Or that they have "too many" fans? Or is it that their influence is overestimated? If an overrated artist is one that is liked more than they "should" be, then assuming that there is indeed some objective standard by which one can determine how much an artist is to be liked (which is clearly absurd), then it seems to me that Guy's statement is a tautology and therefore the value of the subject is questionable. Not a tautology. There's the possibility that a large number of people like an artist "just right", which I discount. Guy

I'm too lazy to sort through the list, RT. However, from my recollection the most popular jazz torrents tend to be (electric) Miles. Guy

FWIW, I think most artists are overrated by their fans and underrated by almost everybody else. Guy

I thought this was an interesting list. Obviously this doesn't take into account some torrents which have vanished and then been re-seeded. 1. {THE RISKY SINATRA TORRENT!} Frank Sinatra w/Tommy Dorsey Orchestra, Avalon Ballroom, San Francisco, CA 1940?? FLAC (1422 times) 2. John Coltrane/Stan Getz JATP Tour 1960 Dusseldorf prob SBD (1287 times) 3. MILES DAVIS - 12 April 1970, Fillmore West *SBD* (1214 times) 4. Mahavishnu Orchestra 1972/08/20 Montreux (1119 times) 5. Jimi Hendrix & Larry Young, Record Plant Sessions, NYC 1969 (1071 times) 6. MILES DAVIS "LOST" QUINTET - 26 July 1969, Juan - les-Pins (1026 times)

Read this over from the perspective of a non-Hill fan, and you might get a sense of why some people consider him overrated. Guy

I don't understand why people are so eager to delete members. I don't see the presence of lurkers doing any harm. Guy

Are any of these available on CD? I assume the Copenhagen is? Where does New York Eye and Ear Control fit into the chronology? Guy