Scott Dolan

Cool! Thanks for the heads up!

Glad I could help, my friend!

Hey, Miles is in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, so fuck 'em all, right? It's like the Gold Glove in MLB. Whatever...

See? I knew we'd eventually agree on something! And BTW, unless your name is nearly household like Miles, Wynton, Coltrane, Bird, Dizzy, etc... you're pretty much destined to be a "cult artist" in Jazz these days. It was likely a far different story back when Jazz was still a fairly popular style of music. But not anymore. Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean by "cult artist". And knowing me, the likelihood of that is definitely greater than 50%... Oh, and though I don't recall seeing you post here in the past, I must say I'm glad to see that you are more active recently. You bring a lot to the discussion.

You can do it that way, but if you hit the "share this post" button it will provide a link for you to copy and paste.

Just click on the weird looking symbol to the right of the post. It will pull up the exact link, then you can copy and paste it.

Wasn't it something like 10,343? Pretty amazing streak! He will have played on the most losing team of any Hall Of Famer.

http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?/topic/81230-url-question/&do=findComment&comment=1565364 Like this?

What is the European Your 1961? I thought Pablo owned the only recordings from that tour? My 92nd (counting every disc from box sets, reissues, and Deluxe Editions) and final Coltrane disc was The Olatunji Concert. The sonic "quality" of that recording convinced me that I'd finally had enough of his catalog.

Muddy Waters?! Did I miss his Jazz recordings?

I greatly respect his work, too. A point that is obviously being lost or overlooked here. And no musician wants to be compared to another, nor do they usually compare any of their peers to others. So that's not exactly a telling metric. Are there differences? Of course there are! I've never said otherwise. You're saying there is a LOT of difference. And no, there isn't. There's a lot of difference between, say, Peter Evans and Freddie Hubbard. There's a lot of difference between Mats Gustafsson and Albert Ayler. There's a lot of difference between Paul Lytton and Elvin Jones. This is because what they are doing sounds absolutely nothing like 60's Free Jazz. Agreed. An emulation of those who most influenced him while also creating a voice of his own. And while that voice may be "singular", it's still built upon the same foundation that has been there since the 60's. There were lots of "singular" voices then, as well. But one can immediately identify 60's Free Jazz when they hear it.

I think Brown's first album with Ware was Surrendered. An album many didn't seem to care for due to him taking over for Susie. I still think it's a fantastic album, personally.

The Peach Orchard is one of the best Free Jazz albums of the last two decades, IMO. Also with Cooper-Moore and Susie. But, I actually think Rob Brown steals the show on that one, oddly enough.

Based upon everything you've noted here, I'm not sure we "really disagree" at all. You've noted varying degrees that essentially lead to the same thing. Which was the point I was getting at. And again, I don't see anything wrong with that. They're all fantastic. Can we agree that tenor players like Evan Parker and Mats Gustafsson are different as far as the Coltrane/60's Free Jazz continuum is concerned? Because that was the point I was trying to get at. Yeah, but I'm obviously not getting my point across to others properly. That's on me.

Nah, not really. Sun Ship, First Meditations, and Godspelized all sound incredibly similar to each other (other than Ware's tone is harsher, more in line with Shepp, for example). And all three are phenomenal recordings. Actually, Sun Ship and First Meditations are my two favorite Jazz albums of all time. So it's not as though I'm casting Godspelized in a negative light. I think that's just the way some wish to see it. But claiming he's doing something entirely different than the 60's Avant Garde artists that influenced him is a stretch, IMO. That would be like saying Wynton Marsalis is doing something entirely different than the 40's-50's artists that influenced him.

Yeah, it's not back to the way it used to be, but the ads are far less intrusive these days. So much so that it actually feels like it works the way it used to.

What is the sound quality of this recording? Hopefully better than Olatunji?

I think you'll fall in love with it. I've pretty much listened to it every Sunday morning since I discovered it.

He's spent this entire conversation dismissing anything that doesn't dovetail with his mid 20th century mindset. That may be even more galling than his penchant for simply making shit up to prove a point. The most recent case in the post above where he accuses someone of saying something, while in the next sentence says that they really didn't say it, but...you know. So I'm stepping aside. The rest of you are shredding him nicely.

Steve, our mutual friend, Captain Hate, actually mentioned those boxes to me a few weeks ago. They are definitely on my list. Funny that you mention Gustafson's work with Fernandez. My current favorite album is the Evans/Fernandez/Gustafsson date, A Quiteness Of Water. Just a brilliant album from the first note to the last.

I still use Allmusic regularly. The advertising seems to have been toned down recently.

My current favorites are Mats and Peter Evans. As much as I love Nate Wooley, I find Evans superior to him.

That's interesting because mid 60's Coltrane/Shepp/Sanders is exactly what I hear in Ware. And I certainly don't mean that in a disparaging way. He a wonderful artist. I just don't hear any "expanded territory" in what he's doing, to be honest. That said, I certainly didn't mean to imply that I'd take one over the other, just that the Free Improvisation cats are different, and therefore more interesting to my ears simply because they are doing something radically different than straight up Free Jazz players like Ware, Mateen, Gayle, Murray, etc... BTW, just listened to that Jaimeo Brown album you listed above. Fascinating! I thoroughly enjoyed it.

At strip clubs. Duh! Or as Steve would call them, "gentlemen's" clubs.

Ah, now it's nonexistent "oppressive laws". One can only wonder how much more clueless goal post shifting you are capable of. I'm actually interested to see what you dream up next. And here I thought your extremely silly and completely wrong "nothing so much as a single word on a personal level" was your detonation point. But now you double down with these fantasy "oppressive laws". You are truly out there, brother.