AndrewHill

I'm blown away. What a cool, cool gift.

Yes...have you listened to That Certain Feeling? It's only CD release was on the John Patton Mosaic Select. If you haven't, I would suggest that's another one you would enjoy if you like his later Blue Note work. The depth of "Understanding", even after years and years of studying it, always amazes me. Especially considering the fact that when Alexander isn't soling or playing the head...the album is essentially John Patton and drums. That takes total musicianship. Patton was a musical giant. I haven't, but I'd like to. Who's on that date? I agree, that at times 'Understanding' sounds like a duo record. Man, to have a record with just Patton and Walker would've been badass. Understanding was my first and still favorite disc, I never get tired of it.

Well since this thread's here, I'm a huge BJP fan, especially of his 'second' stint at Blue Note. Favorite is 'Understanding' which help me understand what a gifted musician he is. Hugh Walker is a mofo of a drummer, and Harold Alexander brought the goods (I do remember seeing a thread about him some time ago). Even if it seems that Big John was not entirely comfortable with the music, the tunes are just badass. Second fav, has to be 'Boogaloo'. I like parts of MTNYS, especially his version of Footprints. AOTB just hasn't entirely caught on with me, although I try to play it on occasion and see if it clicks. Early Patton has to be 'Let 'em Roll'. Love Hutch and Patton together.

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One track off the ESP has him with strings.

Absolutely love him on Cherry's Symphony for Improvisers. But other than that, I have him nowhere else in my collection. He put out an ESP, but have never heard it. Is this any good? Don't think its seen a cd issue.

Some of my favorites are: 311 The Replacements (before Slim Dunlop joined the band, basically up to 'Pleased to Meet Me') The Strokes The The (up to Mind Bomb) They Might be Giants (great live) Dead Milkmen (definitely entertaining live) Cake

I'm from Cleveland, and I haven't heard of him popping up at any of the ususal night clubs, which is basically two. Besides the Bop Stop and Night Town, there's really nowhere else to find any jazz, let alone advant garde/experimental. part of the problem is advertising. Because jazz is not nearly as important as rock around here, you really have to search if you want to find something special. This happened when I learned that Marshall Allan and Henry Grimes came to Lakewood (a suberb of Cleveland) a week after they already came. What a drag, because I live a half hour away from the venue they played at. The Cleveland jazz scene is virtually non-existent, except for the Tri-C jazz fest and the occasional big-name act that rolls into town every five years or so (last huge show was Sonny Rollins at Severence Hall in 3/2001, which was excellent, btw). If I heard Wadud was playing somewhere around here, I'd be there in a flash.

Of the handfull of DIW's I have, it appears that Greg Cohen's 'Way Low,' is still available (I like this album quite a bit) but 'Sonny's Time Now,' seems to be OOP, and Amazon has one for sale for $350! Is it that hard to find nowadays? As much as I like this album, I can't imagine dropping that kind of cash on it (besides, I don't have that kind of cash to drop). AEC's 'Ancient to the Future, Vol 1' also seems to be OOP, and currently going for $50at Amazon too. I have a David Murray one somewhere too (the one with James Newton). It's a shame if the bulk of their catalogue is OOP, the quality, sound and production of these cd's was consistently excellent.

This discussion made me decide to pull this one out again. Ornette's orchestral/string quartet excursions are something that I've always found intriguing in Ornette's catalogue. It seems that Ornette delved into orchestral music from roughly '62-'72, and then abandoned it altogether. I guess there was no room for strings in Prime Time. It'd be nice though, if ESP would put out Ornette's entire Town Hall concert. It seems that the newly reformed company is putting out a lot of unreleased material, so I suppose there's a chance we'll see an expanded edition. Concerning a US CS release, isn't the problem that Columbia/Legacy and CBS France have no ties with each other, and that's why we'll never see a US issue? I could be wrong though.

I don't have it handy, so I can't comment on the date of issue but I think its from the early 90's and its up to the usual excellent ECM standards. Great album too.

Another big fan of this album. In fact, its one of my favorite Atlantics. I was thinking that Marty Ehrlich's Side by Side is a good candidate, except there's a trombine instead of trumpet, and Andrew Cyrille's on it. Not too out, but edgy enough to hold your interest. Ted Curson's Plenty of Horn is another good one, if its still available. I have the Old Town Japanese import, but I think there's several versions out there.

I bought this when it came out on cd back in '94 and its interesting at best. There are many other Ornette titles I reach for before this one, but I do dig this session if I'm in the mood for it. Good Old Days and Zig Zag are standouts for me. I agree with Brownie that Ed Blackwell would've lifted this album from just ok to really good. Oh well, what can you do? This is what we're left with, and I'm happy to own it. I just try to not let Dernado's drumming get to me, only then can I really appreciate the music. Besides, I really dig the album cover art; I wish Ornette would've done some more painting, if I understand correctly that he did paint it. I think Reid did the graphics.

Some great finds. Of course this is subjective, but they were great finds to me. Hubbard/Shaw Sessions 2cd set for $6 Jimmy Cleveland Verve Elite $5 William Parker In order to Survive $2.50, Peach Orchard, 2cd set $1!! Music of WP, $1 Don Cherry El Corozon, Dona Nostra both for a $1 Henry Threadgill Where's Your Cup, makin a Move, $1 each, Carry the Day, $4 Andrew Hill, But not Farewell, $2.50 Conrad Herwig, Latin Side of John Coltrane $6 Coltrane's Om, $5 Gato Barbieri's Chapter Three, on Impulse!, $1 Sunny Murray, Give a Sucker, Even Break $1 AEC, Nice Guys, $1 David Murray Flowers for Albert, 2cd set, $2.50 This, of course, is from years of hunting through used bins, but these are the highlghts.

Thanks Clifford, glad to be here.

Thank you Sidewinder for the 'welcome'. I don't have Eternal Spirit (wish I did) but I do like the inner-play between Osby and Hill as seen on Osby's Invisible Hand. Always thought Hill and Hutch were a good match-up as well, along with Richard Davis.

Fan of AEC. Have the BYGs, Atlantics, ECMs, DIWs etc.) Favorites are Baptizm (sic) and Nice Guys. Cool story about Lester. I went to undergrad school in Cleveland and took a couple of jazz classes, taught by Paul Ferguson of Cleveland Jazz Orchestra fame. Anyway, he anounces one day that he has a guest lecturer, and it turns out to be Lester Bowie. We got to listen for an hour and a half about Lester's early development, influences (one of the ones he metioned was Copeland (which I asked about)) AEC etc, and he brought his trumpet and improvised for us to boot. It was killer (although I think I was one of the few who knew he he actually was). This was back in '96. It was one of the most rewarding experiences I ever had and Lester was just so friendly and hung around after the lecture and talked to us. I was impressed. Great guy.

I'm a fan of this session. A few years ago, I just happened to luck out and found a copy in the $5 cd bin. I even dig the chanting. Its been mentioned that Elvin and McCoy were sort of disconnected with Trane and Sanders and company, and I can hear that too. I just don't think they were really ready to make the leap at this juncture. Regardless, I'm glad I have it, and I reach for this one more than the other, more popular dates.

I dig Dewey. I have Ear of the Behearer, Jarrett's Treasure Island, Mysteries (great disk) and Coleman's NY is Now, Love Call and Science Fiction. I like Ear a great deal and I like the dimension that he added to Ornette's music. A friend of mine always liked how he "talks" through his horn. Great voice, great sound.

Great Story about Half Price. I live in Cleveland and there are four HP's in the area. There is one in Mayfield near Cleveland, that I frequent about once a week. On average you may find the occasional RVG or some other semi-popular jazz release. But last summer I went on vacation and when I came back I went to the Mayfield branch. As soon as I walked in, they had this book cart loaded with cd's with a sign on the side of the cart that said "unique jazz". When I looked closer, they were advant garde cd's from labels like FMP, Hat Art, Intakt, Incus...it was nuts. And they were priced at mostly $6 a piece. When I asked what was going on, it turned out that some dude died and his wife was selling his collection to them. It turned out to be about four huge boxes of cd's, and it took them about 6 months to get it all out, but this collection was phenomenal. I got to look in a couple of boxes and pick out what I wanted, and then I got a lot of stuff at a steal, because they didn't know what they had. I got a ton of Braxton (including a lot of Braxton House Hat Art, Arista, BYG ) Brotz (mostly FMP and Okka Disk) Cecil Taylor (FMP, Leo, Hat Art, Black Saint), Albert Mangelsdorff, Three Origianls, both sets (Both for $8), Bill Dixon: Berlin Abozzi, Thoughts, Ornette: Of Human feelings, and some boots, Last Exit (the hard to find Virgin Venture, Enemy, IMP) etc etc. I probably spent something like $500 dollars once I was done. This guy's collection was just incredible. Oh yeah, and then the stuff that ended up in the dollar bin: AEC's Nice Guys, Peter Kowald's When the sun comes up..., Cecil Taylor's Vienna Concert, Mengesldorff/Scofield on TuTu, Shepp's Splashes, Louis Moholo's Viva le Black: Exile on Ogun, Yves Robert on Evidence (France) Vinny Golia on Nine Winds, Oliver lake, David Murray, Kenny Wheeler, Jan Garbarek, it was just crazy. And that's just a fraction of the collection. There's other standouts like a sealed copy of Dereck Bailey's Solo Giutar on Incus sealed for $6, Horace Tapscott's Dark Tree both volumes on Hat for $6 a piece, Steve Lacy's New York Caper and Quirks sealed on Hat for $4!!! Half Price is cool with me. For that blowout alone, nothing beats it, hands down.

Hi, I'm new here, although I was a member of the old BNBB board way back when. I've been reading here for awhile, and I decided to participate. Actually, it was the death of Andrew Hill that really prompted me to join. I first learned of Hill when I bought Judgment on cd back in 1994. I didn't know a thing about him, but that album made an impression on me, and I became a fan immediately. Every album that I've purchased since then has always been rewarding. One of my favorites is But Not Farewell (which I found used for $2.50!). I thought Jackie Mac's death was bad, but Hill's seems even worse. Man, what a drag.