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I guess that's it - they all have their bag of tricks - it's just that some have larger bags than others and the quality of the contents varies. I just know I can't keep listening to Clark Terry for all that long. Some keep changing the contents of their bag and others don't, or not much. And I don't think recognisability has got anything to do with it, Dan. Perhaps he's easily recognised because he frequently plays the same phrases. Over to the Miles thread now - so long.

Couw - Which one? Or both?

I'm sure this must have been thought of before, but as we've got a thread started by Rooster Ties on under-rated trumpet players, how about one for over-rated players of that clarion instrument? More room for disagreement? There's always somebody thinks they're wonderful. So I'll jump in with what I think are two obvious, prominent cases. Wynton Marsalis. I remember him saying that to play jazz is like trying to catch a snake (or something like that). Seems to me he let the snake go. Success? Clark Terry. He bemoaned practising for years and years on the trumpet and then becoming "famous" for "Mumbles" which about sums it up. Great personality, a "character" definitely (BTW, no "a" in this word ) and often good fun to listen to, but I think he lacks real flair for improvisation. We can of course include flugelhorns, cornets, etc.

I would like to add Carmell Jones, and this is a good example.

Try this one if you like Buddy de Franco - excellent album - both Buddy and Willie in fine form.

Haven't got it unfortunately. Ah well, maybe next week. Sorry, Tom.

I like the albums by the New York Jazz Quartet, the post 1974 version with Wess, Roland Hanna, George Mraz, Ben Riley but not on all the albums. Albums [song of the Black Knight], [surge], [blues for Sarka] and [Oasis] that I know of.

The above led me to the all-female band Diva. I'd not heard of them before - anybody know what they are like? The list contains just two aforementioned so judging by those the band must be good. Tommy Newsom a driving force? Carol Chaikin - Sax (Alto) Sherrie Maricle - Cymbals, Drums, Leader Louise Baranger - Trumpet Lollie Bienenfeld - Trombone Lee Hill Kavanaugh - Trombone Virginia Mayhew - Flute, Sax (Alto), Sax (Tenor) Ingrid Jensen - Trumpet Audrey Morrison - Trombone Janice Friedman - Piano Laura Dreyer - Sax (Tenor) Mary Ann McSweeny - Bass Liesl Sagartz - Trumpet Sue Terry - Sax (Alto) Claire Daly - Sax (Baritone)

and her other album. She's great, up there with the top baritone players IMHO.

Not at all sure if she qualifies as little known, but not much about her at AMG.

Aw, shucks!

Jim - I had [special Brew] and [in Three Attitudes] cover pix but lost them when my hard drive went phut. However, I'm asking a friend to post so I hope you will see them soon.

Bank (public) holiday here today, so last post delivery was Saturday. Tomorrow I will keep a lookout.

Well done, JM. A stimulating exhibition. You are heading for promotion.

I was waiting for Pres to take shape but then I realised that's it! Modern art! No, it's good, IMHO. Thanks. Please post more! That "tour" was two years of lousy food (apart from visits to the YMCA and the China Fleet Club), heat, mosquitoes, no air conditioning and standing in the hot sun waiting for generals to appear. I'm trying to generate some sympathy here.

If you want something reasonably "accessible", try [The Mating Call] by Tadd Dameron with Coltrane. Philly Joe on drums.

I can only add what I heard of a Milt Jackson interview some years ago. He was asked about Miles telling Monk to lay out during his solos because "he played the wrong chords"! Bags said that there was no real antipathy between the two of them, just "like an artistic thing". Was he being diplomatic then?

Brownie - thanks - I've never noticed. I'll have another look when I go again but doubt if it will lead anywhere. He's just too obscure I suppose.

This one [East Coast Jazz Vol 6] also has "Ike Horowitz" (alias Al Cohn) playing bass clarinet as well as other instruments, and the album is known as [The Lyrical Language of Urbie Green] too. I had no idea of the alias - thanks for the info. Eddie Daniels plays bass clarinet on [A Flower for All Seasons] too - duet date with Bucky Pizzarelli.

Yes! That's the stuff, Garth. So here's the one I've been threatening but no danger to me from the bovine pen as I'm not in it. It's of a outfit, or at least some of us, at first called the Forces Big Band and then the Jazzmakers (not original I know). We played in Hong Kong about 1961 - Basie numbers sometimes, I remember April in Paris and Corner Pocket. Played on Hong Kong radio but that's another story. Aforementioned Terry Perry is lead alto with Chris Bullard on alto too. The faint tenor player - I know, it's a lousy picture - was a Filipino guy called Connie. I'm just past him, out of the picture. Trumpet player with specs is Baz Starbuck and the nearest trombone Frank Smith. I can't remember the other guys names but the trumpet player on the end is Colin Stuart who led the band together with Alan Hare who is the trombonist at the other end. Manchester people and others may know him, as indeed many may know of Colin S.

I suppose that if you are used to only carrying an ordinary clarinet the bass item would seem heavy. Thanks for the story, Garth - it's kind of refreshing to hear that he sticks to his guns - he decides he's done enough on the instrument and that's it. Eric Dolphy predominates here naturally, but it's good to hear of the other practitioners. Bennie Maupin I knew of, but I didn't know Harry Carney was a member of the club, WL. Some others spring to mind too. Harbie Mann, Marty Erlich, Eddie Daniels, Gary Smulyan and quite a few more. I have a recording of a Don Grolnick British concert with Marty playing some bcl in there. Beautiful adornment to the thread, Couw - you always come up with something!

I like the sound of the bass clarinet and there are many examples of it's effective use in jazz of course. One of my favourites is [blues Bag] by Buddy de Franco and Art Blakey. I heard Buddy interviewed on the radio once, quite a few years ago, saying that he thought it was his best recording (to date, of course - perhaps he made some he liked better later) and yet some people looked askance when he said this. The album contains lots of interest IMHO, one is the presence of Freddie Hill on one track. Also Lee Morgan, Curtis Fuller and Victor Feldman. but it's the bass clarinet sound that sets the tone and makes the album special. Another example, the memory of which stays with me somehow, is David Murray playing "Elegy for Fanny Lou" - some sound - on [ballads for the bass clarinet]. I don't know the other tracks - just heard it on the radio some years ago. Any other interesting cases to cite?

I went to our local music library and looked in some reference books - Grove, etc - but no sign of Eddie Kahn apart from what we already know. Mission failure - sorry. I hope somebody can find out - seems rather sad that nobody knows. But we can still listen to his music.

Thanks JM, couple of spiffing pix. The famous Tal farlow members are on display I see, altough in that one it appears less huge hands than very long fingers. I am trying to find something more amongst my photos to post, so as to keep my hand in but nothing located yet. It's such a jumble. Has anyone else got jazz pix to add? Anything goes - rare material you have, your own work, even personal mementoes such as mine if you're not too shy! Thanks for starting this thread Claypone. I'm doing my best to keep it going.

Unable to find anything else about Eddie Kahn on-line. If I get a chance I will have a look in the appropriate libraries. Interesting to find out.