chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted January 13, 2021 Report Posted January 13, 2021 15 hours ago, BillF said: Some great stuff there! is ken hanna lp really good capitol big band? Quote
BillF Posted January 13, 2021 Report Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez said: is ken hanna lp really good capitol big band? Some great stuff there! Quote
Daniel A Posted January 13, 2021 Report Posted January 13, 2021 5 hours ago, kh1958 said: I've never heard a quadrophonic system though. Neither have I. Quote
sidewinder Posted January 13, 2021 Report Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) I have a quadraphonic ‘Bitches Brew’. Never heard it in other than stereo. My Impulse LP of Sam Rivers’ ‘Crystals’ is playable quad as well. Edited January 13, 2021 by sidewinder Quote
jazzcorner Posted January 13, 2021 Report Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez said: is ken hanna lp really good capitol big band? Which one do you mean? Edited January 13, 2021 by jazzcorner more pics Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted January 13, 2021 Report Posted January 13, 2021 13 hours ago, kh1958 said: Yes, my copy is a quadrophonic pressing and a promotional copy. It does sound good. I've never heard a quadrophonic system though. How are you hearing it if you don't have a quadrophonic playback system? I thought you needed a special turntable to play those LPs? Quote
Daniel A Posted January 13, 2021 Report Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, bresna said: How are you hearing it if you don't have a quadrophonic playback system? I thought you needed a special turntable to play those LPs? I'm not kh1958, but I've got the same Quadrophonic version of that album. From what I know, you hear all of the sound from the four channels "downmixed" to two-channel stereo. I guess there might be more than one type of quadrophonic lps, but the one I'm familiar with used some sort of "pilot tone" - much like FM stereo radio - to provide the "difference" between back and front channels. Without decoding this supersonic signal, it's just a stereo record. Quote
JSngry Posted January 13, 2021 Report Posted January 13, 2021 You gotta remember, it was the 70s and everybody was high. IIRC, there were two Quad formats for LP (Discrete and ????), one that required a Quad-specific playback system, the other one compatable with a stereo system. My limited experiences with Quad back in the day was that it was interesting, but not really essential, As a precursor to surroundsound, though, it's of historical significance. Our late friend Bob Belden was into creating surround-specific compositions, things that "played" the playback, made it a part of the actual music, not just a post-music consideration. Doing that, I think, is the way ahead, if there is to be one. But Quad? Yeah, everybody was high then. 3 hours ago, jazzcorner said: Which one do you mean? I'v e got the second one, and it's definitely "dance band". Good charts, but like most second-tier Kenton writers, Hanna had a formula and stuck with it come hell or high water. Yeah, Discrete Quad & Matrix Quad, those were the two "big" formats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadraphonic_sound Quote
kh1958 Posted January 13, 2021 Report Posted January 13, 2021 23 minutes ago, bresna said: How are you hearing it if you don't have a quadrophonic playback system? I thought you needed a special turntable to play those LPs? I mean the quad/stereo compatible record sounds fine in stereo reproduction. I don't know what equipment you need to listen in quad. That was a very short-lived 1970s audio fad, as I recall. Quote
HutchFan Posted January 13, 2021 Report Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) I know that you needed a Quadrophonic receiver for Quad LPs to "work as designed" -- but you could still listen to them on a regular stereo receiver, of course. As a kid, I remember pushing a button on my dad's Quad receiver, and the display would toggle between a big green "2" and a big green "4" -- indicating the number of speakers in your set-up. Since my dad only had two speakers, he never took advantage of the Quad functionality. No different than most people, I guess. One of the reasons it faded so fast. Four speakers cost more than two. Edited January 13, 2021 by HutchFan Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted January 13, 2021 Report Posted January 13, 2021 I've passed over many quad LPs in the used racks because I thought I needed a special turntable to play them. I guess I'll have to look at them more closely the next time I find one in the bins. Quote
JSngry Posted January 13, 2021 Report Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, bresna said: I've passed over many quad LPs in the used racks because I thought I needed a special turntable to play them. Cartridge, .yes. Turntable, no. And you would need a special amp (and four speakers, of course) to process the Quad playback. But - any Quad LP with the "Matrix" system should be compatible with regular stereo playback. The "Discrete" stuff, no. It was like the old days of Stereo vs Mono, only with nowhere near the audience appetite. They tried, though... My most vivid experience with Quad playback came at the Texas State fair ca. 1972-3ish. Some vendor had a tent set up pimping THE SOUND OF THE FUTURE or something like that, and their demo was a quad 8-Track of the Herbie Mann Hold On I'm Comin' album, the live one with Fathead & Sonny Sharrock. Now THAT was impressive, the tent was able to give the Quad a true "all sides immersion" experience that when Sharrock cut loose more than a little exhilarating! And Fathead on "Never Can Say Goodbye"....wow, still get chills about hearing that solo like that... Quote
kh1958 Posted January 13, 2021 Report Posted January 13, 2021 32 minutes ago, bresna said: I've passed over many quad LPs in the used racks because I thought I needed a special turntable to play them. I guess I'll have to look at them more closely the next time I find one in the bins. Impulse quad records are a safe buy. Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted January 13, 2021 Report Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, JSngry said: My most vivid experience with Quad playback came at the Texas State fair ca. 1972-3ish. Some vendor had a tent set up pimping THE SOUND OF THE FUTURE or something like that, and their demo was a quad 8-Track of the Herbie Mann Hold On I'm Comin' album, the live one with Fathead & Sonny Sharrock. Now THAT was impressive, the tent was able to give the Quad a true "all sides immersion" experience that when Sharrock cut loose more than a little exhilarating! And Fathead on "Never Can Say Goodbye"....wow, still get chills about hearing that solo like that... You should consider setting up a DVD-A/SACD surround system then. I have heard some incredible surround music with my system... most of it rock discs, but there are a few jazz & fusion discs that sound pretty good. "Incredible" would be Bob Belden's "Black Dahlia" surround mix on the Blue Note SACD. As you noted earlier, near the end of his life, Bob was using surround sound as a better way to present his music. This music likely represents our only chance to hear it in a jazz context (I have some new-agey surround music that he did later) and it is very nicely done. Adding this... Belden also did a surround mix on "Mysterious Shorter" with Nicholas Peyton, Sam Yehel, John Hart & Billy Drummond, but I don't think he had as much artistic input into the mix as it was done for Chesky Records and they had their own ideas there. Quote
jazzcorner Posted January 13, 2021 Report Posted January 13, 2021 2 hours ago, JSngry said: Cartridge, .yes. Turntable, no. And you would need a special amp (and four speakers, of course) to process the Quad playback. But - any Quad LP with the "Matrix" system should be compatible with regular stereo playback. The "Discrete" stuff, no. Correct. I can play this one without any problems and it sounds great. Quote
sidewinder Posted January 14, 2021 Report Posted January 14, 2021 On 13/01/2021 at 1:39 AM, kh1958 said: Yes, my copy is a quadrophonic pressing and a promotional copy. It does sound good. I've never heard a quadrophonic system though. A junior school buddy of mine had one (at least, his father did) and I can remember spinning MOR stuff from that collection (e.g. very cheesy Hawaiian stuff such as Wout Stenhuis) on that quadraphonic music centre. Seemed the bees-knees at the time. I think the records were stereo though. Quote
mjazzg Posted January 15, 2021 Report Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, sidewinder said: Columbia mono There's a reissue of that appearing on listings recently. Almost definitely a bootleg Quote
sidewinder Posted January 15, 2021 Report Posted January 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, mjazzg said: There's a reissue of that appearing on listings recently. Almost definitely a bootleg That Russian release is a bootleg - and rubbish quality apparently. Quote
Clunky Posted January 15, 2021 Report Posted January 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, sidewinder said: That Russian release is a bootleg - and rubbish quality apparently. I hate being taken in by bootlegs ... I'll avoid and stick to the CD... Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 15, 2021 Report Posted January 15, 2021 those Taylor records really get under my skin. Glad to have them on CD at least! Quote
mjazzg Posted January 15, 2021 Report Posted January 15, 2021 My problem is I don't have the CD and that's up to £60. I shall enjoy a legit reissue whenever it arrives, patience is a virtue isn't it? Quote
sidewinder Posted January 15, 2021 Report Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) Those Decca British jazz vinyl reissues should help - assuming they actually happen. I think ‘Pendulum’ was the one mentioned in that possible first batch though. The CDs for both of them didn’t hang around long either. ’Jazz In Britain’ has a NEW Mike Taylor coming up, apparently. The recording comes from the Jon Hiseman archive and I think it will be on CD and vinyl. Meanwhile, their new Rendell/Carr is just about to sell out 3 months before it is actually released ! 1 hour ago, Clunky said: I hate being taken in by bootlegs ... I'll avoid and stick to the CD... Definitely a good move. It would seem that they took the music from the CD and made a terrible job of it. Fingers crossed for a legit reissue from Decca/Gearbox. 50 minutes ago, mjazzg said: My problem is I don't have the CD and that's up to £60. I shall enjoy a legit reissue whenever it arrives, patience is a virtue isn't it? Just checked and ‘Trio’ is on Spotify. Edited January 15, 2021 by sidewinder Quote
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