Nate Dorward Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Anyone heard this? I haven't got it but my interest was piqued by turning up a Collectables hodgepodge in Around Again yesterday, though I didn't buy it: The Third World by Donald Byrd & Booker Little. After scouring the web I've determined that the Byrd/Little tracks are taken from The Soul of Jazz Percussion (Warwick W 5003 ST), but they left off much of the original album (which included some Bill Evans tracks) & spatchcocked in some Mal Waldron tracks ("Quiet Temple", aka "All Alone", but with a little "exotic" percussion added--like tuned woodblocks?) & some Byrd/Adams tracks. Anyway, what I heard of the Byrd/Little (I gather Marcus Belgrave is also in there but he wasn't credited by Collectables) was excellent, so I was wondering if I should be hunting the full album out. I gather it was reissued by Fresh Sound but I'm not sure if it's still in print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 This is still available: The Soul Of Jazz Percussion FSRCD 210 PRICE: 9.80 € Tracklisting: 1. Chasing the Bird 2. November Afternoon 3. Quiet Temple 4. Witchfire 5. Construction Crew 6. Ping pong Beer 7. Prophecy 8. Wee Tina 9. Call to Arms 1, 8, 9 by Booker Little, Donald Byrd, Marcus Belgrave (trumpets), Mal Waldron (piano), Addison Farmer (bass), Ed Shaughnessy (drums), Armando Peraza (conga). 2, 4, 5 (Little and Ellis Out) by Booker Little, Don Ellis (trumpets), Curtis Fuller (trombone), Mal Waldron (piano), Philly Jo Jones (drums), Ed Shaughnessy (perc. and vibes), Willie Rodriguez (conga). 3, 6, 7 by Donald Byrd (trumpets), Pepper Adams (baritone sax), Bill Evans (piano), Paul chambers (bass), Philly Jo Jones (drums), Earl Zindars (percussion). Recorded in 1960. The reissue of Warwick LPs is a mess - they were bootlegged frequently, in ridiculous compilations and incorrect or incomplete credits. The Fresh Sound reissues are reliable. These albums are all interesting - I bought the Fresh Sound LPs back then. Since Teddy Charles was producing many of them, you can find details in Noal Cohen's Teddy Charles discography. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 'Quiet Temple' is a Waldron tune also known under another name - perhaps 'All Alone' from the 1986 Waldron/McLean session. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dorward Posted October 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Yes I've usually come across it as "All Alone" on Mal's albums (it's given a devastating reading on his last disc One More Time). Any idea what the version with the touch of exoticism is on the Collectables compilation, though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 The reissue of Warwick LPs is a mess - they were bootlegged frequently, in ridiculous compilations and incorrect or incomplete credits. The Fresh Sound reissues are reliable. These albums are all interesting - I bought the Fresh Sound LPs back then. Doesn't the Byrd/Adams Warwick Freshsound Reissue ("Out of this Time", I think) miss one track? I think I saw another boot of it that had one more track than my FS disc. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 Fresh Sound CD 137 "Out Of This World" has all seven titles from the session. Discographies list alternative takes for two (some list for five) of the titles (issued under different bogus names under other artists' leadership). I cannot confirm if this is correct. The other versions may be edited from the same master takes. The seven titles are: Birdhouse Mr. Lucky Day Dream I'm An Old Cowhand Curro's [aka French Spice] It's A Beautiful Evening Out Of This World Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 I guess you ask Noal Cohen (link in my post above for this) - I discussed details on this with him and sent him all details I had, and sold my LPs since then. As the bootlegs often mixed in tracks from other sessions, and edited them wildly, only a note-for-note comparison would yield reliable results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 Thanks, Mike & Mike I guess I can live believing I have all of it. Might be that one of the newer versions of that album had an alternate coming with a different title or whatever. "Out of This World" of course is the title of the disc, thanks for correcting! Was too lazy to check. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 Waldron's BMI listing shows a tune "Quiet Alone" by MW, Billie Holiday, and Dominique J. Vaulthier. Not familiar with that last name. It also shows "Left Alone" with alt. title "All Alone" by MW and Holiday. Waldron's GEMA listing shows "Left Alone" with alt. title "All Alone" by MW and Holiday. It also shows "All Alone" but only by MW. Neither of these databases has an entry for "Quiet Temple". Typically, the Lord CD-ROM has things confused. "All alone [by the telephone]" is how it lists the tune on several Waldron albums. There are also entries for "Left Alone" and "Quiet Temple". Obviously this is a mess in need of straightening out. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dorward Posted October 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 Hm, I'm pretty sure "Left Alone" & "All Alone" are different tunes. Both of them turn up on Left Alone '86 on Evidence (which I have). "Quiet Temple" is listed twice in this discography: http://www.jazzdisco.org/mal/dis/c/ for sessions from 1963 & 1989 (& for the first one "All Alone" is listed as an alt. title). But the personnel listings for those sessions don't seem quite right for the version I heard. (But I'm going on memory, not having purchased the CD.) I can't find any trace of "Quiet Alone" in that discography. I suspect it's just a mistaken conflation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 I wouldn't trust that discography for anything. Everything on that site is full of errors and omissions. For example, no mention of 1949 or 1952 sessions that include Waldron. Next, "Gregorian Chant" is wrong. The title is "Gregarian Chant" by Mingus, as listed by BMI. Next, the master numbers for the Macero session are missing (and so are the three other tunes recorded at that session: Neally, T.C.'s Groove, and Adventure). Next, "24X 18X" is wrong. The title is "24+ 18+" by Teo Macero. Next, "Hert On My Sleeve" is wrong. The title is "Heart On My Sleeve" by Teo Macero. Next, Ernestine Anderson is not the vocalist on "Sounds Of May." It is a man named Ernest Anderson. Next, Lenny DiJay is wrong. The name is Lanny DiJay (nickname of Orlando DiGirolamo). And those are just the problems in the first four sessions! Most of this is actually correct in existing discographies, so the folk on that website are introducing NEW errors. They do also copy existing errors too. I could go on and on, but there are so many problems that it would be a full-time job. Anyway, I agree that there are two tunes - Left Alone (tune #1) and All Alone (tune #2). The problem is that some places may use All Alone as the alternative title for Left Alone (tune #1). Might be that Quiet Temple is an alternative title for All Alone (tune #2). I can't say right now. My supposition at this point would be that "Quiet Alone" is somehow different but related to tune #1, due to the added name on the copyright. Maybe this involves additional lyrics or something. I'm pretty sure that Billie Holiday and Waldron only ever wrote the one tune together. The lyric to that tune (Left Alone) includes the line "I'm left alone, all alone." Which is likely where the trouble starts. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIS Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 (edited) It gets even more confusing. All but one of the titles listed on The Soul of Jazz Percussion are on a Collectables album titled The Third World. Incidentally, I have Ed Shaughnessy's score for "Wee Tina." Edited October 11, 2004 by DIS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 Does anyone have any detail on the two different edits of "Witch Fire?" There is a version that clocks in at 4:34, and another at 5:16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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