Hardbopjazz Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Are the senior jazz artists denied contracts because of age? Do you think record companies just go with the younger artists because younger artists attract a younger buying group, which spend more money? Example number 1: Jackie McLean, Jackie McLean hasn't put out anything new for a few years. The last studio session was "Nature Boy" in 2000. He can still play, and I'm sure he would still enjoy recording if giving the chance. There must be a ton of other senior jazz artists without contracts too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BbM7 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Hopefully, the phenomenon has faded (though certainly hasn't disappeared completely), but back in the 80s and 90s, it seemed as if the money - contracts, good gigs - were all going to the Young Lions. True veterans - James Moody, Jackie Mac and others - seemed to be standing on the sidelines as their (largely inferior) imitators raked it in. A lot of those Lions have lost their stature - hell, I'm struggling to come up with names - Bobby Watson, Blanchard, Vincent Herring, others who passed through the Blakey band...not the best examples... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 A lot of those Lions have lost their stature - hell, I'm struggling to come up with names - Bobby Watson, Blanchard, Vincent Herring These guys have been putting out some great music lately.....not sure what you mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BbM7 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 A lot of those Lions have lost their stature - hell, I'm struggling to come up with names - Bobby Watson, Blanchard, Vincent Herring These guys have been putting out some great music lately.....not sure what you mean. As I said, I couldn't come up with the names that truly have been lost to the winds of time. Still, the guys I mention - and others like them - no longer seem to dominate the covers of Jazz Times and Down Beat, as they once did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 If the music is good, the music is good! That's all I have to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 If the music is good, the music is good! That's all I have to say. Out of the mouths of babes . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 If the music is good, the music is good! That's all I have to say. That's right. You never know what you're going to get. I heard Moody in person recently & (to be charitable) he wasn't very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Where's he playing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BbM7 Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 If the music is good, the music is good! That's all I have to say. That's right. You never know what you're going to get. I heard Moody in person recently & (to be charitable) he wasn't very good. Gee whiz. He's now 80 years old. Twenty years ago, my point of comparison, he was 20 years younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 I don't think it matters how old you are. Have you heard the recent Frank Morgan cd City Nights. He's 71 and still going strong. There's also the Curtis Fuller cd, Up Jumped Spring. Sounds good to me. If you've got your chops, that's what counts and you could lose those at any age. Jazz Kat was right, btw. Kids say the darndes things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Kids say the darndes things Speaking of Linkletter, how old is HE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Kids say the darndes things Speaking of Linkletter, how old is HE? Answered my own question (ain't Google great?). Apparently, he's 92 and still getting $15,000 per speaking engagement. Art Linkletter's Web Party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Stream Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 I think jazz artists in middle age have the hardest time. Not young enough to be fresh and exciting. Not old enough for the "old veteran-they don't play like that anymore-factor" to kick in yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted February 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 I don't think it matters how old you are. Have you heard the recent Frank Morgan cd City Nights. He's 71 and still going strong. There's also the Curtis Fuller cd, Up Jumped Spring. Sounds good to me. If you've got your chops, that's what counts and you could lose those at any age. Jazz Kat was right, btw. Kids say the darndes things Well, if it doesn't matter, I wish someone would sign Horace Silver and Jackie McLean and Lou Donaldson... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Jazz artists do not care how old you are if you pay the cover, have a couple of drinks and buy the cd. B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 I watched Letterman last night and Tommy Newsom sounded terrific, although he more than once ran out of breath before he was able to complete what he had in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 I saw Benny Carter when he was in his late 80's. He paced himself, gave lots of solo space to his group but sounded just like Benny Carter when it was his turn to solo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzmessenger Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 A lot of those Lions have lost their stature - hell, I'm struggling to come up with names - Bobby Watson, Blanchard, Vincent Herring These guys have been putting out some great music lately.....not sure what you mean. Agreed. These guys are putting out great albums in recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzmessenger Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 If the music is good, the music is good! That's all I have to say. That's right. You never know what you're going to get. I heard Moody in person recently & (to be charitable) he wasn't very good. When I saw him at the Detroit Jazz Festival two years ago, he sounded very good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. Goren. Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 I saw Buddy DeFranco last week. Mr. DeFranco is 81 and he was great. It was an unforgettable experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Arno Marsh, Randy's father, is still kickin' ass at 76. Can't wait to play with him again this summer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 If the music is good, the music is good! That's all I have to say. That's right. You never know what you're going to get. I heard Moody in person recently & (to be charitable) he wasn't very good. When I saw him at the Detroit Jazz Festival two years ago, he sounded very good to me. It was a concert setting. Quartet of Moody, David Williams on bass, Carrington on drums & piano (actually can't remember who). Moody massacred Cherokee on flute, & played adequately on tenor, alto & a bit of soprano. Told jokes that were lame 30+ years ago & wasn't much better on vocals on Moody's Mood For Love & Bennie's (sic) From Heaven. Maybe it was the altitude. Other half of the concert was Ahmad Jamal (he's 75), with James Cammack & Idris Muhammad. They were "tight", although nothing new took place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 As long as they deliver the goods age ain't nothing but a number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsj Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I saw Buddy DeFranco last week. Mr. DeFranco is 81 and he was great. It was an unforgettable experience. .... as you said ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic1 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 The only thing that matters is whether or not you can play. Age, sex, race are all inconsequential. As I can see it age has made some artists lose their inspiration, while others have found inspiration with age. I don't think age makes much of a difference. The individuals response to age matters, but it is not predictable how each person will respond to age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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