tranemonk Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 okay since I NEED to stop buying Mosaics... :( and I've got a little cash flow left... I figure this is it for the rest of the year (short of gift cards for my birthday... ) So what should I get...??? It's down to the the Columbia Swing Sessions... (thanks for the reviews Ron S. and if you've got any more thoughts now that you've had it for a few weeks, would love to hear them...) OR... Roy Eldridge set.... (I'm concerned about all the Oscar Peterson on organ,, OR.... and this is where I'm leaning... the Django Reinhardt set.... (since I don't have any Django and its one of the older sets...) Anybody got the Django set??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Skid Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 ... this is it for the rest of the year ... Dude, it's not even March yet!!! Good Luck!! B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 I don't habe the Django set yet, although it'll probably be my next purchase. I've only heard part of it thanks to a fellow board member, but it's fantastic stuff! Since it's likely to disappear much quicker than the other two, I'd certainly think about getting it instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 I don't habe the Django set yet Hope you get over your cold soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undergroundagent Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 (edited) If you haven't already....Adams/Byrd, Parlan, Paul Chambers Select, or J.J.! Edited February 27, 2005 by undergroundagent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tranemonk Posted February 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 If you haven't already....Adams/Byrd, Parlan, Paul Chambers Select, or J.J.! yea I've got the JJ, Parlan and some of the Chambers (which came out as individual CDs years ago...) Can't quite get into the Pepper Adams/Bryd stuff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 I don't habe the Django set yet Hope you get over your cold soon! Excube me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 If you haven't already....Adams/Byrd, Parlan, Paul Chambers Select, or J.J.! yea I've got the JJ, Parlan and some of the Chambers (which came out as individual CDs years ago...) Can't quite get into the Pepper Adams/Bryd stuff... I can't figure out that statement. This is some great stuff. Not on this set, but have you heard Pepper's 10 to 4 at the Five Spot. Amazing! I never heard anybody make this statement before. When it comes to baritone, it's Pepper for me, no slight intended to anyone else. This is your last Mosaic of the year? Yeah, right and I've got a bridge to sell you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Can't quite get into the Pepper Adams/Bryd stuff... Have you checked your vital signs lately? Actually, I think it's a great set--and I didn't even get it wholesale from Caiman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Can't quite get into the Pepper Adams/Bryd stuff... Have you checked your vital signs lately? Actually, I think it's a great set--and I didn't even get it wholesale from Caiman. I'd give that Adams/Byrd set another shot. I think Pepper Adams was a very interesting player with very interesting melodic ideas. Even when Byrd may have just been on autopilot (albiet at a very high level), I enjoyed where Adams would take things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherbored Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 without a doubt, the eldridge. it's a set that transcends the ages and trends of the genre and will age very well through the years (as will the hodges set, IMHO). regarde, -e- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 After that initial post, I still can't fathom that someone couldn't be into Pepper. Here's a list of Pepper albums that I have that I unreservedly recommend: The Cool Sound of Pepper Adams – Regent 6066 (SV-0198) Encounter - Prestige 7677 (OJCCD-898-2) The Master – Muse 5213 10 to 4 At the Five Spot - Riverside 1104 (OJCCD-031-2) Pepper Adams Quintet - Mode Records MOD LP-112 (V.S.O.P. #5 CD) Urban Dreams – Quicksilver Records 4006 Another set with Donald Byrd as the leader is Live at Half Note which was RVGed not that long ago. If you can find Jazzmen Detroit issued by Savoy under Kenny Burrell's leadership, that's also quite marvelous. The last one on Quicksilver is really good. Hell, they're all good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Pepper also played his ass off on Lee Morgan's The Cooker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Any reservations about O.P. on the Eldridge (and I, too, had them) will be quickly dispelled upon first listen. That's a great set! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Pepper also played his ass off on Lee Morgan's The Cooker. Damn right! If we got into the sessions where he excelled as a sideman, we'd be here for awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzydaddy Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 After that initial post, I still can't fathom that someone couldn't be into Pepper. Here's a list of Pepper albums that I have that I unreservedly recommend: The Cool Sound of Pepper Adams – Regent 6066 (SV-0198) Encounter - Prestige 7677 (OJCCD-898-2) The Master – Muse 5213 10 to 4 At the Five Spot - Riverside 1104 (OJCCD-031-2) Pepper Adams Quintet - Mode Records MOD LP-112 (V.S.O.P. #5 CD) Urban Dreams – Quicksilver Records 4006 Another set with Donald Byrd as the leader is Live at Half Note which was RVGed not that long ago. If you can find Jazzmen Detroit issued by Savoy under Kenny Burrell's leadership, that's also quite marvelous. The last one on Quicksilver is really good. Hell, they're all good. Hey Guys, Here's another of my favorite Pepper Adams albums. This one is is a quintet date from 1958 with Lee Katzman on trumpet and Jimmy Rowles on piano. A very nice session and one of the few opportunities to hear Katzman in a featured roll on record. Now can anyone tell my why this marvelous session has not yet been issued on CD??? Talk about criminal!! Fortunately this one shows up from time to time on ebay. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tranemonk Posted February 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 I originally had no intention of checking out the Bryd/Pepper Adams set... but after the strong and positive posts... I went ahead and listened to the Mosaic set samples and the one Bryd CD I have (Mustang).... I'm just not there.. for a couple of reasons... 1. When it comes to trumpeters of that vein and time... It's hard for me to listen to anyone who's not Lee Morgan... 2. As for baritone sax... I kinda of enjoy it but if I was going to explore that more I probably would go for the Gerry Mulligan Concert Jazz Band set... and I haven't quite got there yet..... 3. And this is one is the most intangilble..... It just doesn't grab me... although the playing by Sonny Red (on Mustang which I'm listening to as I type this... ) is quite interesting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 I originally had no intention of checking out the Bryd/Pepper Adams set... but after the strong and positive posts... I went ahead and listened to the Mosaic set samples and the one Bryd CD I have (Mustang).... I'm just not there.. for a couple of reasons... 1. When it comes to trumpeters of that vein and time... It's hard for me to listen to anyone who's not Lee Morgan... 2. As for baritone sax... I kinda of enjoy it but if I was going to explore that more I probably would go for the Gerry Mulligan Concert Jazz Band set... and I haven't quite got there yet..... 3. And this is one is the most intangilble..... It just doesn't grab me... although the playing by Sonny Red (on Mustang which I'm listening to as I type this... ) is quite interesting.... With all due respect, I find statements like Lee is the only one for me quite hard to fathom since Donald has such a sweet sound. But beyond that have you listened to Brownie, Blue Mitchell, Tommy Turrentine, Kenny Dorham, Woody Shaw, Carmell Jones or even Freddie Hubbard of the late 50s to early 60s. While I love Lee, there are many, many other brilliant trumpeters. If you made a statement like that you obviously haven't listened to them and I strongly suggest that you do before you make a statement like that again. I also strongly disagree with your views about Pepper. While I have no objection to Gerry Mulligan and enjoy listening to him, for the hard driving hard bop sound of that ear, Pepper is THE MAN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 (edited) That Donald Byrd/Pepper Adams Mosaic is an absolute MONSTER set. It isn't at caiman's "cash 'n' carry" but at $64 what have you got to lose? :rsmile: Edited February 27, 2005 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tranemonk Posted February 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 I originally had no intention of checking out the Bryd/Pepper Adams set... but after the strong and positive posts... I went ahead and listened to the Mosaic set samples and the one Bryd CD I have (Mustang).... I'm just not there.. for a couple of reasons... 1. When it comes to trumpeters of that vein and time... It's hard for me to listen to anyone who's not Lee Morgan... 2. As for baritone sax... I kinda of enjoy it but if I was going to explore that more I probably would go for the Gerry Mulligan Concert Jazz Band set... and I haven't quite got there yet..... 3. And this is one is the most intangilble..... It just doesn't grab me... although the playing by Sonny Red (on Mustang which I'm listening to as I type this... ) is quite interesting.... With all due respect, I find statements like Lee is the only one for me quite hard to fathom since Donald has such a sweet sound. But beyond that have you listened to Brownie, Blue Mitchell, Tommy Turrentine, Kenny Dorham, Woody Shaw, Carmell Jones or even Freddie Hubbard of the late 50s to early 60s. While I love Lee, there are many, many other brilliant trumpeters. If you made a statement like that you obviously haven't listened to them and I strongly suggest that you do before you make a statement like that again. I also strongly disagree with your views about Pepper. While I have no objection to Gerry Mulligan and enjoy listening to him, for the hard driving hard bop sound of that ear, Pepper is THE MAN! actually I have listened to ALL of those trumpeters... I have plenty of Clifford Brown and the Carmell Jones Select .... I enjoy both of them but IMHO, in the hard bop vein (hate to use that label)... I do place Lee Morgan in a seperate class... (both as a trumpeter and a composer)... Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.... I'm glad you like Pepper... but I still stand by my comments... that if I wanted more baritone I'd still go with the Mulligan set... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 The Django box and the Eldridge box are both classic music. The music on the Django will probably be available from other sources, even after it's sold out. However, once the Eldridge is gone, so will much of that music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 I originally had no intention of checking out the Bryd/Pepper Adams set... but after the strong and positive posts... I went ahead and listened to the Mosaic set samples and the one Bryd CD I have (Mustang).... I'm just not there.. for a couple of reasons... 1. When it comes to trumpeters of that vein and time... It's hard for me to listen to anyone who's not Lee Morgan... 2. As for baritone sax... I kinda of enjoy it but if I was going to explore that more I probably would go for the Gerry Mulligan Concert Jazz Band set... and I haven't quite got there yet..... 3. And this is one is the most intangilble..... It just doesn't grab me... although the playing by Sonny Red (on Mustang which I'm listening to as I type this... ) is quite interesting.... With all due respect, I find statements like Lee is the only one for me quite hard to fathom since Donald has such a sweet sound. But beyond that have you listened to Brownie, Blue Mitchell, Tommy Turrentine, Kenny Dorham, Woody Shaw, Carmell Jones or even Freddie Hubbard of the late 50s to early 60s. While I love Lee, there are many, many other brilliant trumpeters. If you made a statement like that you obviously haven't listened to them and I strongly suggest that you do before you make a statement like that again. I also strongly disagree with your views about Pepper. While I have no objection to Gerry Mulligan and enjoy listening to him, for the hard driving hard bop sound of that ear, Pepper is THE MAN! actually I have listened to ALL of those trumpeters... I have plenty of Clifford Brown and the Carmell Jones Select .... I enjoy both of them but IMHO, in the hard bop vein (hate to use that label)... I do place Lee Morgan in a seperate class... (both as a trumpeter and a composer)... Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.... I'm glad you like Pepper... but I still stand by my comments... that if I wanted more baritone I'd still go with the Mulligan set... Sorry if I offended you with that statement but if you make a statement like that AFTER you've heard all those and you place someone like Brownie behind Lee, that's clearly mind blowing and just wrong headed, in my view. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tranemonk Posted February 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 I understand what you're saying and to clarify.... I said when I listen to someone in the hard bop vein.... I have a hard time not comparing them to Lee Morgan... I don't consider Clifford Brown a hard bop trumpeter...BeBop yes, hard bop no.... and I don't consider Lee Morgan "better" than Brownie... He's different... I do consider Lee Morgan and Donald Byrd (and a few of others you named... Tommy Turrentine, etc.) in the hard bop vein.... There are other trumpeters that I consider different (and in some ways better) than Lee Morgan... Miles, Dizzy, Brownie.... etc... but for what Lee played... I consider him the best.... Hope that helps clarify things... and no offense taken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 I agree with the Mosaic liner notes when they said that Pepper's playing is "slashing, angular." Very much so, and if you dig Mulligan, then Pepper may not be your cup of tea. OTOH, it could just be a matter of time. There was a time when I couldn't stand Joe Henderson, and would've taken Paul Desmond over Joe ANY day of the week. Thank God THAT'S in the past! (Although I still dig Desmond...... a LOT!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherbored Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 ...and that's the thing, al. listeners, especially ones who haven't been listening forever, have completely different sensibilities about whom they listen to and why. i think i should be as sensitive as i can to that instead of coming out swinging when someone says that ________________ isn't quite their cup of tea. after all, not being able to tolerate much cecil taylor/anthony braxton/archie shepp/sun ra, i can relate all too well. -e- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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