Guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Hi Folks! I'm relatively new to Jazz. I started a small collection a few month ago and now I want to add a live-recording of Blakey and his Messengers to my growing collection. But which one is the one to get? I won't buy them all, 'cause there are so many other discs on my list, so which one would you recommend? Greetz, Sonny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 I have them all - and more. One not on the list that shouldn't be missed: Ugetsu (Riverside/OJC) - Hubbard, Shorter, Fuller, Walton, Workman, Blakey - live at Birdland 1963. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 (edited) Don't have enough knowledge or familiarity with the Messengers' live music to make an informed choice, but keep in mind that there are two "Jazz Corner of the World" sets on Blue Note: the "Meet You atJCoftW" (w/Wayne) and the "AtJCoftW" (w/Hank). Others to add to your list: various dates on Riverside from the early 60s and both volumes of Three Blind Mice (all are the sextet with Wayne, Freddie, Curtis and Cedar). Also, the two volumes (Buttercorn Lady and one I can't remember) from the Lighthouse in '66, with Keith Jarrett on piano. Out of the stuff I've heard, I'd rank the Birdland '54 recordings slightly above the Bohemia '55. The "Meet You" is poorly recorded (though certainly listenable), but the music is superb and has really grown on me. Guy ed: In terms of "historical importance" (rather than quality of music), I think the Birdland and Bohemia recordings should be at the top of the list. Edited August 7, 2005 by Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeBop Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Art Blakey in Paris w/Bud and Lee (and Barney) Epic BA17017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 There is only one record with Jarrett at the Lighthouse: Buttercorn Lady. It has been issued (pirated?) under the title Recuerdo (or some misspelling thereof) - but it's the same record. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 I have them all - and more. One not on the list that shouldn't be missed: Ugetsu (Riverside/OJC) - Hubbard, Shorter, Fuller, Walton, Workman, Blakey - live at Birdland 1963. Mike ← Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 I have them all - and more. One not on the list that shouldn't be missed: Ugetsu (Riverside/OJC) - Hubbard, Shorter, Fuller, Walton, Workman, Blakey - live at Birdland 1963. Mike ← But in terms of a starting point, grab either the Bohemia or Birdland sets. You can't go wrong with either, but my personal preference is the Bohemia date because a) it was my first bona fide jazz purchase and b) I generally prefer Mobley/Dorham over Donaldson/Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 From a historical perspective the Bohemias get my nod but for pure pleasure I had to go with the May '61 concert from Paris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Birdland and Bohemia for me. With the Bohemia discs getting the slight edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Seems like there are a lot more live-recordings than I thought I have them all - and more. One not on the list that shouldn't be missed: Ugetsu (Riverside/OJC) - Hubbard, Shorter, Fuller, Walton, Workman, Blakey - live at Birdland 1963. Sounds interesting - I keep that one in mind. ....but keep in mind that there are two "Jazz Corner of the World" sets on Blue Note: the "Meet You atJCoftW" (w/Wayne) and the "AtJCoftW" (w/Hank). Yes, I know. But the latter is only available here as expensive import (US/Japan). Also, the two volumes (Buttercorn Lady and one I can't remember) from the Lighthouse in '66, with Keith Jarrett on piano. Same for this one. Import only. Art Blakey in Paris w/Bud and Lee (and Barney) Epic BA17017 ← Paris 59? Is it this one? Sounds interesting too. But in terms of a starting point, grab either the Bohemia or Birdland sets. You can't go wrong with either, but my personal preference is the Bohemia date because a) it was my first bona fide jazz purchase and b) I generally prefer Mobley/Dorham over Donaldson/Brown. I also tend to the Bohemia date because of Mobley. Like his sound From a historical perspective the Bohemias get my nod but for pure pleasure I had to go with the May '61 concert from Paris. ← Same problem as above: Import only Greetz, Sonny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morganized Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 I had to go with Birdland if for no other reason than the MC announcer. (Can't remember his name right now...somebody help me out. I don't want to look it up)Pee Wee Marquette maybe?? Anyway, who can think of Art without thinking of Pee Wee introduce Mr... Art.... Blaaaaaaaaaakey!!! Can't really go wrong with any of his live dates. I don't have Meet Me at the Jazz Corner--RVG but do have the others. The Three Blind Mice date is excellent. I loved the Fuller, Hubbard, Walton line up of the Messengers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormP Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Your quote: "The Three Blind Mice date is excellent". The best rendition of "Three Blind Mice" is by NAT KING COLE, periods.......... Now for something different and much more serious: TO CANADA: HANDS OFF HANS ISLAND! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 I agree with Mike. All the live Blakey sessions are essential. I would select the Bohemia sessions as my favorites by a slight matgin. They have a special place in my jazz memory as they were among the very first Hard Bop recordings I owned way way back when they were first issued on 2 LPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 I always loved these for the good feeling: Au Club St Germain, Vol. 1 Au Club St Germain, Vol. 2 Au Club St Germain, Vol. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 I'm partial to the May 13, 1961 2 CD set myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 There is only one record with Jarrett at the Lighthouse: Buttercorn Lady. It has been issued (pirated?) under the title Recuerdo (or some misspelling thereof) - but it's the same record. Mike ← Looks like they found another name for it as well: Get the Message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Yep - that's another of the same. How is it that a Limelight (Mercury subsidiary, now part of Universal Music Group, one of the behemoths) issue from 1966 gets so much mistreatment? It's not 50 years old yet. Is it somehow related to the Trip reissue deal from the 1970s? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeBop Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Art Blakey in Paris w/Bud and Lee (and Barney) Epic BA17017 ← Paris 59? Is it this one? Sounds interesting too. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzmessenger Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Those mentioned are all great, but I also like live recordings on later date like "Keystone 3" and "In This Korner" on Concord. I particularly enjoy Bobby Watson's compositions in later Jazz Messengers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalo Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 (edited) I had to go with Birdland if for no other reason than the MC announcer. (Can't remember his name right now...somebody help me out. I don't want to look it up)Pee Wee Marquette maybe?? Anyway, who can think of Art without thinking of Pee Wee introduce Mr... Art.... Blaaaaaaaaaakey!!! ← Now hear that in your mind's ear intoned by someone who's just inhaled helium.. Edited August 8, 2005 by Kalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Seems like there are a lot more live-recordings than I thought From a historical perspective the Bohemias get my nod but for pure pleasure I had to go with the May '61 concert from Paris. ← Same problem as above: Import only Greetz, Sonny ← Is this a problem? I found mine on eBay a few years back, super cheap. Is this hard to find now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 I gotta go with the Birdland discs, mostly for Clifford Brown. Anything with Brownie on is worth having. Not that the rest of the band are slouches! Close call, though. I have many live Messengers albums and they always deliver (put me down as another who loves Ugetsu). Blakey always put together great bands and made them play at the top of their game. And he would kick your ass if he thought you were coasting (saw him do it once, to Terence Blanchard). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 I'm partial to the May 13, 1961 2 CD set myself. ← Which one? There are two from the same day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 I am partial to the Cafe Bohemia recordings. That's where I got taught the Message! I remain faithful to these Messengers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 The latest reincarnation of the Paris 1961 recordings is on two very cheap (10 Euro each) Laserlight/Delta 2CD sets. The mono sound is very good (french radio production). http://www.deltamusic.de/index.php?id=28&L...n=4006408361589 http://www.deltamusic.de/index.php?id=28&L...n=4006408361282 Selections from the sets are available on a single SACD (not worth it IMHO) http://www.deltamusic.de/index.php?id=28&L...n=4006408520191 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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