KOB Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Is jazz overly intellectualized? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Soul Stream Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Hence, this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Duh! Pretty big question for a 15th post. By who/whom/whose/etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 uh, Wynton, and the like maybe are you inquiring about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckyd4 Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Should have been a poll: 1) Yes. 2) No. I'll go with Yes. Wait... No. Ah crap, I give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontooneous Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Overly intellectualized by the people who play it? Occasionally. By the people who write about it? Sometimes. And what art isn't? Generalizations don't help. Generally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Let me mull it over for a few years and get back to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Define "over". Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 No - wait - define "jazz". Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Hold on - define "is". Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Is jazz overly intellectualized? ← I'm gonna have to think about this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostasi Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 (edited) If one examines jazz, one is faced with a choice: either accept the Marsalis family power relations or conclude that its language, somewhat ironically, has a real intrinsic meaning. One could suggest the use of university-based jazz studies to deconstruct elitist perceptions of class in jazz. "Society is part of the failure of modern jazz," is what we want to hear Stanley Crouch say. However, other writers have used the term "patriarchial construction" to denote a mythopoetical totality of this primarily male-based construct. Just look at Feather's analysis of bebop and what it holds out for academia. Therefore, the main theme of the works of the unadulterated jazz experience is the bridge between culture and society. The subject is contextualised into a patriarchial construction that includes narrativity as a paradox. Edited August 23, 2005 by rostasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontooneous Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Duude, you were supposed to answer in the form of a SESTINA... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregK Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 how about underintellectualized? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOB Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 "Pretty big question for a 15th post." Well,... maybe so if one doen't count the 200+ posts on the old BNBB & 45+ years of listening to jazz. That aside, to answer your question Chuck, ... let's say my question is directed toward the so-called 'name' critics, musicians in general & the general listening audience. Admittedly, that is a very broad group, but interested in generally broad thoughts on the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckyd4 Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 [but interested in generally broad thoughts on the matter. ← Sometimes jazz is overly intellectualized. Sometimes it is not. Seriously, not to keep beating up on you here, but you should probably elaborate a bit on the original question if you want some serious answers. Who "overly intellectualizes" it? Where is the line between talking about jazz and "overly intellectualizing"? I'm honestly not really sure what your question even means. Not trying to be disingenuous, it's just too vague to make much sense of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 "Pretty big question for a 15th post." Well,... maybe so if one doen't count the 200+ posts on the old BNBB & 45+ years of listening to jazz. That aside, to answer your question Chuck, ... let's say my question is directed toward the so-called 'name' critics, musicians in general & the general listening audience. Admittedly, that is a very broad group, but interested in generally broad thoughts on the matter. ← My answer is NO, but for some folks the answer is yes. So, there you go. Twinkies are a delicacy for some folks and junk food for others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgraham333 Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Twinkies are a delicacy for some folks and junk food for others. ← Dr. Egon Spengler: Well, let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. Based on this morning's reading, it would be a Twinkie thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds. Winston Zeddemore: That's a big Twinkie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Twinkies are a delicacy for some folks and junk food for others. ← Dr. Egon Spengler: Well, let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. Based on this morning's reading, it would be a Twinkie thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds. Winston Zeddemore: That's a big Twinkie. ← I think we need a Twinkie alert with the morning weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostasi Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Admittedly, that is a very broad group, but interested in generally broad thoughts on the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed S Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Over-intellectualized? Not by me, I hope. In the last few years, I have been able to divide jazz into two main categories - stuff I like and stuff I don't like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Jazz=something I dig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOB Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 As to 'who' I am referring to, I thought my list was fairly clear. I am not referring to anyone specific that over-intellectualizes, but interested if some felt there is too much emphasis these days on rationalization of content, format etc. versus whether the music is simply good or not good depending on what the listener is hearing and feeling. Maybe it is a big question, but just threw it out there for some thoughts. I certainly didn't expect to generate such criticism for this question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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