***Joe Henderson***

[pryan]

Picked up this one today:

[Templejazz]

I haven't been here in a while but I figured I'd revisit and revive a topic I started when I was pondering on one of my favorite front line duos, Joe and Woody. I like the Lighthouse recording. Unity will also remain I think my favorite recording of these guys.

What other pairings of Joe and Woody are there? Cape Verdean Blues comes to mind.

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[Free For All]

Hey TJ, welcome back!! Good to hear from you! Howz things?

A couple good Joe and Woody outings occupy the JoeHen Milestone box- "Live at the Lighthouse" and "In Pursuit of Blackness".

The Joe box has recently been discussed here.

Edited November 7, 2007 by Free For All

[John L]

I haven't been here in a while but I figured I'd revisit and revive a topic I started when I was pondering on one of my favorite front line duos, Joe and Woody. I like the Lighthouse recording. Unity will also remain I think my favorite recording of these guys.

What other pairings of Joe and Woody are there? Cape Verdean Blues comes to mind.

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Joe and Woody live was usually something special. I had the pleasure in growing up and living in the SF Bay Area in the 70s where they often performed together.

Another classic match up is on Larry Young's Unity.

[btownsurvivor]

Fortunately, there's quite a bit of Joe and Wood :

http://www.woodyshaw.com/discography/disco_06.htm

I can vouch for all of it except for The Paris Reunion Band stuff (which those in the know have told me is weak so I never scooped it up).

Those of us who frequented Keystone Korner in the late 70s early 80s might remember that Joe and Wood were often on the bandstand together, but I don't think any recordings came out of it. Serious bummer. Does anyone know Todd Barkan ? Maybe there is something in a vault/desk-drawer/attic/glove-compartment somewhere.

Horace Silver, "Cape Verdean Blues", "The Natives Are Restless Tonight"

Larry Young, "Unity"

Woody, "In The Beginning", "Cassandranite", "Last of the Line", "Dark Journey" (1, 2, 3, 5) -- anyone know what the original release was ?

Joe and Woody, "Jazz Patterns"

Joe, "Live At The Lighthouse" / "If You're Not Part of the Solution, You're Part of the Problem"

Buddy Terry, "Pure Dynamite"

Bobby Hutcherson, "Cirrus"

Woody, "Rosewood"

The Paris Reunion Band, "For Klook", "Jazz Buhne Berlin 1988", "Live at Theaterhaus, Stuttgart, W. Germany"

Neil Swainson, "49th Parallel"

Edited November 11, 2007 by btownsurvivor

[btownsurvivor]

Just purchased "In 'N Out". Haven't listened yet, but the front art reads :

JOE HENDERSON

Kenny Dorham Richard Davis Elvin Jones etc.

Well, the et cetera happens to be none other than McCoy Tyner ...

Was McCoy really no more than an unfinished sentence back in 1964 ?

[analogak]

do you think tyner was some sort of slut, throwing himself towards whatever record company wanted him? no he was a classy guy and he would sign a proper contract.

Edited November 17, 2007 by dumpy mama

[Daniel A]

To be more precise, Tyner had a contract with Impulse at the time.

[JSngry]

[btownsurvivor]

McCoy's name is on the backside credits and notes.

Were contracts in early 60s written to disallow frontside billing because of the way albums were advertised and/or displayed in stores ?

Does this practice still occur today, and to what extent is it relevant ? For example, for downloadable MP3s, does anyone know of any cases where a sideman artist's name is not present on the frontside art, is not allowed to be advertised in online promotional literature, but is included somewhere in the downloadable art ?

If this practice still does occur, I'm not sure how effective it could be with today's prevalence of listener reviews that "tell all".

Edited November 18, 2007 by btownsurvivor

[clifford_thornton]

To be more precise, Tyner had a contract with Impulse at the time.

Right, that was going to be my response also.

He then signed with BN and, once that contract ran out, went to Milestone.

[Big Al]

Driving back from Austin yesterday, listening to disc three of the Milestone box (the Lighthouse stuff) and hear, for the very first time, the track "If You're Not Part of the Solution, You're Part of the Problem," crank that mother and floor it..... DAMN!!!! Whatta funky tune!

[Rooster_Ties]

I'm not sure that Joe got past the rehearsal stage w/BST, but I could be wrong.

Either way, it was a very short-lived relationship.

Found a quote earlier tonight that implies that maybe there's one Blood Sweat & Tears tune with Joe that got recorded, and maybe a couple of Joe's tunes(!) they actually rehearsed....

I just posted this on the Steve Hoffman board, and here 'tis again...

[Rooster_Ties]

Well, gosh golly, maybe there IS some evidence of BS&T with Joe Henderson...

http://www.rdrop.com/users/rickert/fielder.html

Jim Fielder Interview (by David Callow 10/99)

Jim was one of the founding members of Blood, Sweat, and Tears, playing on the first six BS&T albums. Since then he has played with a large number of groups and has appeared on a variety of different recordings.

Q: How were Joe Henderson and Bobby Doyle recruited?

A: Bobby Colomby introduced Joe, he probably knew him from his early jazz connections. We did not know Bobby Doyle at all, but we had caught his album, and loved what we heard. We invited him to audition.

Q: Why did they not remain ?

A: With Joe, it was musical differences. With Bobby Doyle, he was best suited for smaller, more intimate audiences. The partings were amicable, though.

Q: Had the Doyle, Halligan, Henderson line-up continued, in what ways do you think the music would have differed compared to "New Blood" and “No Sweat” ?

A: That line-up could have originated more of its own repertoire. Who knows, maybe that creativity might have persuaded Dick Halligan to remain.

Q: Besides “Salty Tears” were there any other tracks recorded which also featured Doyle, Halligan, and Henderson?

A: Maybe about three. Two were Henderson originals, “No Me Esqueca” (meaning “Don’t Forget Me”), and possibly one other. There was also a song titled “Harbor Lady”. I do not know the composer, but Bobby Doyle brought it along. We actually got as far as rehearsing these.

Now, the questioner says "recorded" and also mentions "Salty Tears" (as if it's been released, and implying that Joe's on that one). But then Jim Fielder only says "rehearsed" (implying that everything in his answer was rehearsed, but NOT recorded -- although the beginning of his answer implies that all three were recorded).

I'm afraid I don't know squat about BS&T -- is "Salty Tears" something that has been released from this era??

Also, FWIW, I'm pretty darn sure that "No Me Esqueca" (Don't Forget Me) is a later alternate title for one of Joe's very best known tunes, "

from his very first BN album (and damn near a jazz standard, by most measures).

[trpt2345]

Joe of course was one of those special players, an original, a sound like no other. Mode for Joe was my first,and since I've grabbed everything I could get my hands on. He had a hard time keeping a steady band together but managaed toplay and record with many greats: Dave Holland and Al Foster, Charlie Haden, George Mraz, Bill Stewart. I liked him in bass-drum trios. A good writer too, I do Afro-Centric and No Me Esqueca with my kiddies.

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[jazzlovr1990]

interesting post. thanks.

[fent99]

I might be losing my mind but... Was there a European release of Live Joe amongst others from a festival/radio station. Can't find anything here and Joe is mentioned too often for my skills in searching. It must have been here I was reading about it.

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[John L]

Joe Henderson was recorded quite a bit in concert in Europe.

From the 60s, there are several broadcasts with the Thad Jones-Mel Lewis big band that have been released.

There is a live broadcast of Henderson with Chick Corea from the 1981 Montreux Festival (Stretch records CD).

Maybe you are thinking of the Paris Reunion Band with Woody Shaw, Nat Adderley, Grachan Moncur III et al? They made several live recordings in Europe in the mid-late 1980s that have been released.

There is the CD (LP) on Red Records from the Genova Jazz Festival in Italy from 1987: "An Evening with Joe Henderson."

There is a concert from 1994 released on Jazz Door ("Live"). The CD claims that it was recorded in the US, but I believe that discographers think it more likely from Europe.

I am sure that there are more.

[JSngry]

I think he's thinking of the German Verve thing from a year or two ago, braodcasts...I'm at work and don't have any references here, but it was discussed.

[JSngry]

The Erich Kleinschuster sessions

Edited May 5, 2010 by JSngry

[king ubu]

Universal Austria!

A second volume with guests Art Farmer, Jimmy Heath and Slide Hampton was also released - both recommended!

[fent99]

Thanks guys, Thought I was losing it. Anyone know where I can pick up a copy? Any of your germanic contacts ubu?

Thanks for the info John

I have some of these

"An Evening with Joe Henderson." and the concert from 1994 released on Jazz Door ("Live").

Sad to say I have very little Thad Jones-Mel Lewis big band and the Paris Reunion Band with Woody Shaw, Nat Adderley, Grachan Moncur III has me intrigued any recs?

[Niko]

seems tough to find! here's the only option I found:

http://www.bocksmusicshop.at/db.asp?allg=kleinschuster&prod=

[brownie]

Sad to say I have very little Thad Jones-Mel Lewis big band and the Paris Reunion Band with Woody Shaw, Nat Adderley, Grachan Moncur III has me intrigued any recs?

Too bad the Thad Jones-Mel Lewis is OOP now. It had the best of that very good band in better sound than the original releases! Great Mosaic job on that one!

As for the Paris Reunion Band, I don't think it managed to live up to the addition of talents there!

I had the three first albums 'French Cooking', 'For Klook' and 'Hot Licks' and failed to appreciate them.

Gave up after that!

[king ubu]

Can't find anything better on the Kleinschuster Sextet CDs - just this here, with a few more links, in case:

http://www.jazzinaustria.at/jazz-jazzlinks.php?id=REC

I got both from the now defunct Vienna store Red Octopus (it's still listed on that links page).

Otherwise, you might try and contact org member jug21 - he works in a Vienna music store and might be able to offer further leads (at least he worked in a music store in Vienna in summer 2007, when we spent our holidays there, right at the time when Vol. 2 of these sets came out!)