BeBop Posted January 5, 2006 Report Posted January 5, 2006 From the Clay entry: Review by Michael G. Nastos With drummer Lawrence Marable as a co-leader. Five standards, three by Sonny Clark. Also includes some sessions with Bobby Timmons. 3 Stars. From the Marable entry: Review by Michael G. Nastos An exceptional album from this drummer/leader, with James Clay on tenor sax. 4.5 stars. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 5, 2006 Report Posted January 5, 2006 That's 'cos the silly buggers never put the thing up as a relational database. MG Quote
Dave James Posted January 5, 2006 Report Posted January 5, 2006 (edited) I would characterize "Tenorman" as a solid, workmanlike effort made more desirable by its lack of availability. Even in music, absense tends to make the heart grow fonder. Also, even though this has been noted in the past, it never hurts to reiterate that AMG's ratings are based on the other entries in a given artist's canon, not how it stacks up to jazz recordings in general. Up over and out. Edited January 5, 2006 by Dave James Quote
ep1str0phy Posted January 5, 2006 Report Posted January 5, 2006 From the Clay entry: Review by Michael G. Nastos With drummer Lawrence Marable as a co-leader. Five standards, three by Sonny Clark. Also includes some sessions with Bobby Timmons. 3 Stars. From the Marable entry: Review by Michael G. Nastos An exceptional album from this drummer/leader, with James Clay on tenor sax. 4.5 stars. This has happened a few times (confusing, no?)--though not always with the same author. This one comes to mind: Booker Little: Victory and Sorrow (5 Stars) [review by Scott Yanow] Booker Little and Friend (4 1/2 Stars) [review by Scott Yanow] --They're the same damn album, although "and Friend" has outtakes. Just for the hell of it, this is from an old hardcopy of the allmusic guide: Brown Rice/1975/A&M 0809 o Don Cherry/i. May 1977/Horizon 717 According to the guide, "Don Cherry" is supposed to be one of Don's "landmark recordings" (hence the circle). However, Carl Brauer gives an "ambivalent" review (trashing the "funkish" cuts). Nothing is said about "Brown Rice"--no circle, no nothing. It's the same album. It's confusing, especially in the Marable/Clay case. Generally, I go with the more "thought out" reviews--a lot of those three-star, "list personnel only" critiques (like the first of the two Nastos reviews) are almost definitely placeholders. Like 3 Stars is the default or something. Quote
BeBop Posted January 5, 2006 Author Report Posted January 5, 2006 I consider this a very good recording, by my admittedly low standards. Recommended to all those who come across it in the orange label (80% Off) bin at Sam Goody. Quote
JSngry Posted January 5, 2006 Report Posted January 5, 2006 James Clay was a beautiful player. How many stars is that worth? Quote
Nate Dorward Posted January 5, 2006 Report Posted January 5, 2006 AMG ratings are one cut above monkeys on typewriters. My 2 cents. Clay was a wonderful player to judge by the only two appearances I've heard (albums with Don Cherry & Wes Montgomery). Quote
Morganized Posted January 5, 2006 Report Posted January 5, 2006 James Clay was a beautiful player. How many stars is that worth? Ditto....Not familiar with this one but you can seldom go wrong with Clay. Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted January 6, 2006 Report Posted January 6, 2006 Check out AMG's picture of Clay!! Morons. Quote
ep1str0phy Posted January 6, 2006 Report Posted January 6, 2006 Check out AMG's picture of Clay!! Morons. Good lord. Worth a laugh, anyway. Quote
JSngry Posted January 6, 2006 Report Posted January 6, 2006 Clay was a wonderful player to judge by the only two appearances I've heard (albums with Don Cherry & Wes Montgomery). You'll most likely want to get this one: A blubop classic if ever there was one. Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted January 6, 2006 Report Posted January 6, 2006 Hmmm... does AMG have someone here at Organissimo?? When I posted yesterday, they had a picture of some long-haired white guy in Clay's listing. Now it has Clay. Anyway, Hank is selling Clay's hard-to-find Antilles CD, "I Let a Song Go Out of My Heart" in this thread for 8 bucks! This is a very nice CD. With a rhythm section of Cedar Walton, David Williams, and Billy Higgins, I expected and got some great Jazz. It's certainly well worth $8. Kevin Quote
Nate Dorward Posted January 6, 2006 Report Posted January 6, 2006 I can't access AMG from here (work computer) but my recollection is that the longhaired guy only turns up on the bio page; the main page for Clay has the right image. Speedy error-correction? AMG? You must be kidding. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 6, 2006 Report Posted January 6, 2006 I can't access AMG from here (work computer) but my recollection is that the longhaired guy only turns up on the bio page; the main page for Clay has the right image. Speedy error-correction? AMG? You must be kidding. No - the long haired guy is also on the "Songs" page. Clay also plays some good stuff on Ray Charles' "My kind of jazz 3", and on David Newman's "Return to the wide open spaces". MG Quote
JSngry Posted January 6, 2006 Report Posted January 6, 2006 Hmmm... does AMG have someone here at Organissimo?? When I posted yesterday, they had a picture of some long-haired white guy in Clay's listing. Now it has Clay. It had/has both. Click on one and you get the other. Quote
catesta Posted January 7, 2006 Report Posted January 7, 2006 Clay was a wonderful player to judge by the only two appearances I've heard (albums with Don Cherry & Wes Montgomery). You'll most likely want to get this one: A blubop classic if ever there was one. Hell yeah! Quote
Jazztropic Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 I am very impressed with James Clay and TenorMan is awesome.Not much out there under his name. Quote
J.A.W. Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 Check out this album: Red Mitchell - Presenting Red Mitchell - Contemporary/OJC It has some nice James Clay on both tenor saxophone and flute. It's also one of Billy Higgins' first recording sessions. Quote
mikeweil Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 (edited) Clay's discography is clear evidence that he's underrecorded. That debut LP was marvellous! Here's all I could find (CD issues): A+M CD 5258 - Don Cherry - Art Deco Amazing AMCD-1021 = Meteor CDMT 023 - David Newman - Return To The Wide Open Spaces Antilles 422-848279-2 - James Clay - I Let A Song Go Out Of My Heart Antilles 314-510724-2 - James Clay - Cookin‘ At The Continental Blue Note CDP 7 84440-2 - Lawrence Marable - Tenorman Fresh Sound FSRCD 195 - Lorraine Geller - Memorial Heads Up OXCD3017 = 101South Records 7128-2 - Joe McBride - Grace Milestone MCD-47065-2 - Wes Montgomery - Alternate Takes Milestone MCD-9252-2 - Wes Montgomery - Encores, Vol.1 Original Jazz Classics OJCCD-089-2 - Wes Montgomery - Movin‘ Along Original Jazz Classics OJCCD-158-2 - Red Mitchell - Presenting Red Mitchell Original Jazz Classics OJCCD-1075-2 - James Clay - The Sound Of The Wide Open Spaces Original Jazz Classics OJCCD-1790-2 - James Clay - A Double Dose Of Soul Personality PRS 23007 - Ray Charles - Ingredients In A Recipe For Soul Vogue 655018 - Frank Morgan - ? LP only: Soultex SLP-10181 - Roger Boykin Contemporary C-14024 - Billy Higgins - Bridgework Jazz Mark 104 - Paul Guerrero - Texas Tenors Edited January 13, 2006 by mikeweil Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 Contemporary C-14024 - Billy Higgins - Bridgework I'm at work so I can't verify, but I believe James is only on one side of this LP. The other side has Harold land. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 Clay's discography is clear evidence that he's underrecorded. That debut LP was marvellous! Here's all I could find (CD issues): A+M CD 5258 - Don Cherry - Art Deco Amazing AMCD-1021 = Meteor CDMT 023 - David Newman - Return To The Wide Open Spaces Antilles 422-848279-2 - James Clay - I Let A Song Go Out Of My Heart Antilles 314-510724-2 - James Clay - Cookin‘ At The Continental Blue Note CDP 7 84440-2 - Lawrence Marable - Tenorman Fresh Sound FSRCD 195 - Lorraine Geller - Memorial Heads Up OXCD3017 = 101South Records 7128-2 - Joe McBride - Grace Milestone MCD-47065-2 - Wes Montgomery - Alternate Takes Milestone MCD-9252-2 - Wes Montgomery - Encores, Vol.1 Original Jazz Classics OJCCD-089-2 - Wes Montgomery - Movin‘ Along Original Jazz Classics OJCCD-158-2 - Red Mitchell - Presenting Red Mitchell Original Jazz Classics OJCCD-1075-2 - James Clay - The Sound Of The Wide Open Spaces Original Jazz Classics OJCCD-1790-2 - James Clay - A Double Dose Of Soul Personality PRS 23007 - Ray Charles - Ingredients In A Recipe For Soul Vogue 655018 - Frank Morgan - ? LP only: Soultex SLP-10181 - Roger Boykin Contemporary C-14024 - Billy Higgins - Bridgework Jazz Mark 104 - Paul Guerrero - Texas Tenors You're not wrong about Clay having been underrecorded, but you've missed a few. Ray Charles - Sweet & sour tears - ABC480 Ray Charles - Have a smile with me - ABC495 Ray Charles - My kind of jazz 3 - Crossover 9007 Hank Crawford - True blue - Atlantic 1423 (Collectables CD6815) Red Mitchell - session Live - Calliope 3003 (not whole LP) Bill Perkins/James Clay - The right chemistry - Jazz Mark CD108 The full Frank Morgan album on GNP(J) KICJ104 is called "Frank Morgan on GNP" MG Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 Oh. Bummer. I know what you mean, Jim... having Land instead of James Clay is not a bad thing at all. Quote
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