Swinging Swede Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Found this piece on an eBay listing: IMPORTANT NOTE: The mini-lp market is being infiltrated by counterfeit mini-lp CDs made in Russia. These fakes, especially when still sealed, are almost impossible to tell unless one knows what the genuine Japan original looks like or has one for comparison. Buyers at Disk Union have been fooled! The list of musical artists that have been counterfeited includes: King Crimson (21st Century UICE), Rainbow (POCP), Led Zeppelin (AMCY), Eric Clapton (UICY), Genesis (VJCP 1st edition w/ Virgin logo on Obi), King Crimson (IECP), Jethro Tull (TOCP), Deep Purple (WPCR-1563-1577), Black Sabbath (Victor), Creedence Clearwater Revival (VICP), Jimi Hendrix (UICY). So, BUYERS BEWARE! Purchase items only from dealers who can be trusted to sell only genuine Japan mini-lp CDs. Purchasing “Japan” mini-LP CDs from Russia, Finland, Byelorus, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Hong Kong, and China is risky. There are also dealers in the USA, UK, and Canada that are selling fakes. If the price of a mini-lp seems too good to be true, then it may well be a counterfeit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Let us know if they start to counterfeit used vinyl, with proper pops, clicks and scratches Please post the info in the Vinyl Thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Yes, there was some discussion about this over at Steve Hoffman forums (Classifieds Forum).....w/Black Sabbath, etc. I have yet to hear of any fake jazz stuff surfacing.....have you? I hope a faked mini-lp copy of this one shows up soon......'cause I'm buyin!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Yes, there was some discussion about this over at Steve Hoffman forums (Classifieds Forum).....w/Black Sabbath, etc. I have yet to hear of any fake jazz stuff surfacing.....have you? The only professionally made counterfeit jazz CDs I've seen so far on Ebay were some russia-made ECM albums. Garbarek, Metheny, Jarrett, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Found this piece on an eBay listing: IMPORTANT NOTE: The mini-lp market is being infiltrated by counterfeit mini-lp CDs made in Russia. These fakes, especially when still sealed, are almost impossible to tell unless one knows what the genuine Japan original looks like or has one for comparison. Buyers at Disk Union have been fooled! The list of musical artists that have been counterfeited includes: King Crimson (21st Century UICE), Rainbow (POCP), Led Zeppelin (AMCY), Eric Clapton (UICY), Genesis (VJCP 1st edition w/ Virgin logo on Obi), King Crimson (IECP), Jethro Tull (TOCP), Deep Purple (WPCR-1563-1577), Black Sabbath (Victor), Creedence Clearwater Revival (VICP), Jimi Hendrix (UICY). So, BUYERS BEWARE! Purchase items only from dealers who can be trusted to sell only genuine Japan mini-lp CDs. Purchasing “Japan” mini-LP CDs from Russia, Finland, Byelorus, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Hong Kong, and China is risky. There are also dealers in the USA, UK, and Canada that are selling fakes. If the price of a mini-lp seems too good to be true, then it may well be a counterfeit. Ahh, so this must be the guy who's out there leading the counter-attack? Clever way to go about it. http://cgi.ebay.com/Genesis-Lamb-Lies-Down...7QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/Eric-Clapton-Money-CD-...7QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/Black-Sabbath-Master-o...7QQcmdZViewItem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Hmmm,a non-mini lp that says "Tronto"....wonder if this one is a counterfeit (eBay seller in China)? Anyone here own this particular edition (VICJ-60023)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 With Blue Notes, the abundance of typos may actually be a mark of authenticity. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 :lol: With Blue Notes, the abundance of typos may actually be a mark of authenticity. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Other than business/financial concerns, if these are straight digital copies w/comparable-quality packaging, does the consumer get cheated in terms of product quality when inadvertently buying something like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Other than business/financial concerns, if these are straight digital copies w/comparable-quality packaging, does the consumer get cheated in terms of product quality when inadvertently buying something like this? Only the record companies. Maybe the artists. But the bands that are being pirated seem one to whom a few quid one way or another wouldn't make much difference. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Yeah, exactly. Which only goes to further my theory/suspiscion that if the "music business" had a do-over, they would not have been so god-awful eager to cram digital/CDs down our collective throats back in the day. Talk about a Pandora's box... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 I have yet to ever bid on a mini-LP on eBay but while looking it I came across a site about mini lps. Near the top of the page there's a link to screen for trusted eBay sellers of them. And gee, you'll notice their prices are higher than those that aren't trusted. Other than business/financial concerns, if these are straight digital copies w/comparable-quality packaging, does the consumer get cheated in terms of product quality when inadvertently buying something like this? Well, a fake could make your stereo explode... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 (edited) Well, a fake could make your stereo explode... Even worse, look at this It was a fake of Pink Floyd's Ummagumma. Edited March 27, 2010 by porcy62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted O'Reilly Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Hmmm,a non-mini lp that says "Tronto"....wonder if this one is a counterfeit (eBay seller in China)? Anyone here own this particular edition (VICJ-60023)? "Tronto"! Tee hee... We residents know it's "Tronna". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 And Frank Shinatra! Two in one fell swoop! MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 And Frank Shinatra! Geez, I missed that one! Fake as that tan then, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoppy T. Frog Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Other than business/financial concerns, if these are straight digital copies w/comparable-quality packaging, does the consumer get cheated in terms of product quality when inadvertently buying something like this? Only the record companies. Maybe the artists. But the bands that are being pirated seem one to whom a few quid one way or another wouldn't make much difference. MG I think the choice is: Do you want to enrich a capitalist or a Chinese Tong/Russian mafioso? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 You mean to tell me that organized crime is not a form of capitalism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 (edited) You mean to tell me that organized crime is not a form of capitalism? Not me. Probably that very same chinese or russian mafioso is the president of a 'legal' company that are manufacturing the very same 'legit' issue for entertainment corporations in a lager style factory located the suburbs of Shanghai or Moscow, with workers in semi-slavery and without any respect for enviromental issues. In the fashion business, 'Made in Italy' included, it goes like this. Most of the stuff from Dolce e Gabbana, Prada or Armani, just to name a few, are manufactured in this way, only the latest process is done in Italy, so it has the 'Made In Italy' certification. So when you buy an Armani suit at 3000 bucks you should know that was made in China, it costed 80 bucks to Armani, and the italian factory will add the labels and the buttons. But, hey, you got an Armani! Edited March 28, 2010 by porcy62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Hmmm,a non-mini lp that says "Tronto"....wonder if this one is a counterfeit (eBay seller in China)? Anyone here own this particular edition (VICJ-60023)? "Tronto"! Tee hee... We residents know it's "Tronna". Spell it how you like , but if you mean to refer to the actual recording location for this album , you better pronounce it , "Vancouver" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluerein Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Son: I have the "real" version of VICJ-60023 and the wrong spelling is on that one too so this is not a sign of a fake edition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Why is anyone interested in mini-LPs anyway ? They save a lot of space sure , but they have the worst damn inner-groove noise ever ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Why is anyone interested in mini-LPs anyway ? They save a lot of space sure , but they have the worst damn inner-groove noise ever ! I want one of them in my Christmas cracker next year! MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Why is anyone interested in mini-LPs anyway ? They save a lot of space sure , but they have the worst damn inner-groove noise ever ! Some people find it soothing....like Mary Jane here, who simply adores the midgets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Her Master's Voice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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