clifford_thornton Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 There's a copy of the Maupin LP in a shop for like $12; guess I'm getting it! I wonder what his career trajectory would've been like if he'd cut an album as a leader around the time he was working with Marion Brown and Sunny Murray... Quote
sidewinder Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 (edited) There's a copy of the Maupin LP in a shop for like $12; guess I'm getting it! I wonder what his career trajectory would've been like if he'd cut an album as a leader around the time he was working with Marion Brown and Sunny Murray... Clifford - don't hesitate ! I picked my copy up from a shop in Stuttgart (indeed Aggie/Erik from this board met up with me at the shop ). The owner of the shop told me at the time that he'd got a whole job-lot of LPs from Barbara Wojirsh, esteemed cover art designer at ECM. I think this LP was one of the few left over from that batch. She sold up her vinyl lock, stock and barrel before emigrating, apparently. Edited October 11, 2006 by sidewinder Quote
Guest akanalog Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 after relistening a few times i really like this album. initially i was put off by the mellowness but it still retains the mwandishi vibe (williams slinky rubbery bass) and some random ring modulations and the most mellow parts are quite beautiul. love, love is just as good if not better, IMO. i love that relentless bassline. polarization is great too. i wish that would come out. i remember on that album never hearing of many of the sideman (sidewomen?) before or after. i think one or two was on a bayete album, but otherwise-nothing. oh curtis clark and ray obiedo, yes-but augusta lee collins, ron stallings and whatever the bassists name? no. were they called marine intrusion? Quote
sidewinder Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 after relistening a few times i really like this album. initially i was put off by the mellowness but it still retains the mwandishi vibe (williams slinky rubbery bass) and some random ring modulations and the most mellow parts are quite beautiul. love, love is just as good if not better, IMO. i love that relentless bassline. polarization is great too. i wish that would come out. i remember on that album never hearing of many of the sideman (sidewomen?) before or after. i think one or two was on a bayete album, but otherwise-nothing. oh curtis clark and ray obiedo, yes-but augusta lee collins, ron stallings and whatever the bassists name? no. were they called marine intrusion? Yep. 'Marine Intrusion' it was. All Bay Area musicians, I believe. Quote
Guy Berger Posted October 11, 2006 Author Report Posted October 11, 2006 I'm now really psyched about Julian Priester's Love Love, which I bought earlier this summer. Haven't listened to it yet. Guy So I'm listening to Love, Love for the first time and digging it! Definitely recommended to fans of the Mwandishi band, electric Miles and early Weather Report. The groove on side 1 could go on forever. Guy How is the sound quality of the CD? Wasn't there some word of master tape problems? The LP of this has been a big favourite of mine and as you say, side 1 packs a heck of a groove. Sidewinder, It sounds fine to me. Guy Quote
mikeweil Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 So I'm listening to Love, Love for the first time and digging it! How is the sound quality of the CD? Wasn't there some word of master tape problems? The LP of this has been a big favourite of mine and as you say, side 1 packs a heck of a groove. Sounds pretty much like the LP to me. No tape problems audible. Quote
Late Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 I like this album, but I guess I feel the same way about it that Guy feels about Sama Layuca. Still, I'll keep it in rotation. Note to Guy — I'm guessing you also have Azar Lawrence's Bridge Into the New Age? That one's a burner (esp. the track where Lawrence trades solos with Arthur Blythe). Whenever I play the Maupin, I also get that Lawrence album out. Quote
Guy Berger Posted October 12, 2006 Author Report Posted October 12, 2006 Late -- no, I don't, but you've piqued my curiosity. Mike Weil had a great overview post of the greater Mwandishi family. Guy Quote
Late Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Thanks for directing me to that post of Mike's. That was the first time I'd read it! Quote
ep1str0phy Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 This sorta reminds me of how I don't like Sunburst... Quote
ep1str0phy Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 (woozy) ugh... hungry again... I think Sunburst is the only Mwandishi family album I'm not too fond of--I was expecting something a little weightier. However acute the ensembles are, there's something unnervingly fluffy about the whole affair. Next to the other albums in the group, it's disarmingly straightforward and, indeed, dated... which isn't to say that Mwandishi isn't at least a little tethered to the times--just that the sensibility of the group had the capacity to transcend the trappings of instrumentation, genre, etc. Sunburst is just that much of a period piece by comparison. Of course, the Mwandishi group doesn't play on the better part of the album, so... Quote
Late Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 "Unnervingly fluffy?" Gotcha. (OK, I'll stop.) Quote
Guest akanalog Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 i didn't notice buster williams "pinnacle" on mike w's list. that is a good one worth mentioning with sonny fortune and woody shaw and billy hart on it. Quote
mikeweil Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Wasn't Pinnacle a rather more straightahead date compared to the Mwandishi band? Quote
Guest akanalog Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 pinnacle? no. definitely not. i would not consider it so much more straight-ahead. especially compared to other stuff on your list. it isn't as exploratory but it's definitely not straight-ahead (or i wouldn't like it). onaje allen gumbs on electric piano, earl turbinton on some soprano i think and some wordless vocalizing-defintely not straight ahead. Quote
mikeweil Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 I have to admit I never heard the whole LP, just one track on the radio that didn't thrill me too much. If I ever come across a copy I will give it a try. Quote
Eloe Omoe Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 A friend of mine e-mailed ECM about this some years ago and got the answer that the master tapes were in bad shape - but they had told him the same about Priester's "Love, Love", which has been reissued on CD since then ..... Last week I went to Udine to interview Manfred Eicher for Musica Jazz magazine (he was there mixing some records due to come out in the next months - in particular, there's a new Rava quintet CD that sounds very, very good). Of course, my first question was why The Jewel in the Lotus hasn't been reissued yet He told me that it will definitely be reissued soon. According to Eicher, the master tapes are really in bad shape, since they were recorded with a noise reduction system much in use at the time but which has caused many problems to the tapes themselves. He also told me that he had just met Maupin at the ECM headquarters (Maupin had been playing in Munich that week). Funny thing was, as soon as I pronounced Maupin's name, Eicher started to sing the melody of Mappo Luca Quote
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