tonym Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Wait till you hear them play "Send In The Clowns." It's like watching someone try to wash a pile of dog poop. I'm not sure if this phrase equates to the oft used, 'trying to polish a turd', but, yes....if the song is a bit cheesy this band's attempts at giving it credibility have to be admired. Or you think not? I think not, because the hook progression in the song is so annoying/nagging that any "tasteful" attempt to play "Send In The Clowns" must attempt to significantly modify that phrase or skate away from it altogether, but when you do that, either there's nothing left or you're not even playing the song. I have a copy of "Goodbye" (don't ask why), and, as I recall, the interpretation there is close to both of those alternatives, but that damn phrase finally turns out to be unavoidable. I'd say that the only way to handle it is the way Albert Ayler might have. I guess I am lucky not to be familiar with the original song. I think their interpretation is really nice. Guy Me too. Then again, I'm no jazz writer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Hope I'm not playing language games with you (that's not my intent), but you can judge a performance as an "interpretation" only if you know the original, i.e. what is being interpreted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fkimbrough Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Those who aren't into the "ECM sound" but like Bobo's music might want to check out "Very Early", another trio recording on the Dragon label from Sweden. It was recorded in the mid to late 80's with Anders Jormin and Rune Carlsson, and features nice takes of "Some Other Spring", "Countdown", Ravel's "Pavane", and an original or two in addition to the title track by Bill Evans. Maybe not easy to find, but worth the search. I just discovered that I've lent my copy to someone..........now, who? I need to get it back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted January 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Hope I'm not playing language games with you (that's not my intent), but you can judge a performance as an "interpretation" only if you know the original, i.e. what is being interpreted. Larry -- I'm not judging it as an interpretation, I'm judging it as music. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Hope I'm not playing language games with you (that's not my intent), but you can judge a performance as an "interpretation" only if you know the original, i.e. what is being interpreted. Does that mean that if I want to "interpret" standards that I need to invest in a buch of Original Cast Recordings? God, I hope not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Hope I'm not playing language games with you (that's not my intent), but you can judge a performance as an "interpretation" only if you know the original, i.e. what is being interpreted. Larry -- I'm not judging it as an interpretation, I'm judging it as music. Right. But you said in a previous post: "I think their interpretation is really nice." Not every musical performance is an interpretation of a piece of music. A world where reasonable distinctions are made and preserved is a world where people have a better chance to understand each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest youmustbe Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 One other thing about Manfred....he could have sold ECM for big bucks to a major, or been part of a conglomerate, but instead he has stayed independent, doing exactly what he pleases. How many can say that in today's biz world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 I have great respect for Manfred's label, standards, achievements. I just don't like much of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the mommy Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 i wish eicher was more interested in putting older albums out on CD. there is a lot of good stuff still stuck on LP and it seems he is more interested in putting out new music. which is admirable, but as far as my taste go...not what i want to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 (edited) What Jim said... May I ask who has the "right" to define whether something is a "jazz style" or not? Fucking idiots. Well, Wynton Marsalis obviously. Edited February 1, 2007 by Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. Clugston Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 What Jim said... May I ask who has the "right" to define whether something is a "jazz style" or not? Fucking idiots. Well, Wynton Marsalis obviously. And Chewy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffsjazz Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 What Jim said... May I ask who has the "right" to define whether something is a "jazz style" or not? Fucking idiots. Well, Wynton Marsalis obviously. And Chewy. I DIG THIS ONE !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianissomo Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 i wish eicher was more interested in putting older albums out on CD. there is a lot of good stuff still stuck on LP and it seems he is more interested in putting out new music. which is admirable, but as far as my taste go...not what i want to hear. ECM has done a pretty good job in terms of the majority of the catalog being on CD and continually available. Just curious - what are you looking for that hasn't made it to CD yet? Abercrombie's late 70's quartet recordings is one notable omission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted February 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 i wish eicher was more interested in putting older albums out on CD. there is a lot of good stuff still stuck on LP and it seems he is more interested in putting out new music. which is admirable, but as far as my taste go...not what i want to hear. ECM has done a pretty good job in terms of the majority of the catalog being on CD and continually available. Just curious - what are you looking for that hasn't made it to CD yet? The Jewel in the Lotus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 The Sam Rivers "Contrasts" album, too, right? Also Dewey Redman 's "The Struggle Continues" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 (edited) i wish eicher was more interested in putting older albums out on CD. there is a lot of good stuff still stuck on LP and it seems he is more interested in putting out new music. which is admirable, but as far as my taste go...not what i want to hear. ECM has done a pretty good job in terms of the majority of the catalog being on CD and continually available. A lot of the earlier ECM catalogue, like Drum Ode and Afternoon of a Georgia Faun, is available, but only at jacked-up import prices. I had hoped that things were going to switch up after that first wave of reissues, but I'm still waiting... like, I'd love to see Divine Love on CD. Edited February 17, 2007 by ep1str0phy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 every time u play this record, gene ammons cries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonym Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 every time u play this record, gene ammons cries Why? Has he got a pubic hair caught on the turntable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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