tcd74 Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 As someone who started seriously getting into jazz a couple of years ago I've attempted to pick up as much product as possible. Because of their limited edition status I have been trying to complete the Blue Note Connoisseur series. The one title that seems to be hard to locate is Bobby Hutcherson's Medina (I'm missing one other for the set but it's still relatively easy to acquire). Anyways I have two questions. 1- In everybody's expert opinion is this title worth me spending big bucks to get? On Ebay they can get pretty pricey when they do pop up, infrequently. 2- What are the chances of this being reissued as an RVG? With people willing to spend large sums of money on it you'd think there would be a market for it. Kind of like when Blue Note reissued Lee Morgan's Leeway as an RVG even though it had been a Connoiseur. Any help would be appreciated. Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Maybe my least favorite of his 1970's BN work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 As I fiend for all things Hutch, I asked here a while back and a member was willing to sell me his copy. However, I agree with Ray and enjoy my other Hutch albums more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 (edited) I believe the two sessions were from the late 60s, rather than the 70s. I also think they are the last sessions in any way similar Hutcherson's classic earlier albums. Already one year later, "San Fransisco" was a step towards the ever-blander lite-jazz albums to come, not so much in sound, but in spirit. "Medina" is a worthwhile disc, but not at any cost. Get it if you are a fan of Hutcherson or Land. But the OOP "Total Eclipse" is much, much better. Edited June 6, 2007 by Daniel A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 I found this used at a fairly reasonable price. As such, I'm happy with it, but I wouldn't want to pay more than, oh, $15 or $20 for it. Also, up til recently, I would have said that eventually EVERYTHING on Blue Note will be reissued as an RVG, but now with the sale of EMI, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyo Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 I like it quite a lot. Don't forget that it also includes the Spiral session, so it's a really full disc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 The Hutcherson sessions with Land or Spaulding and Corea or Cowell have always held a special place in my collection. I like them all. Hunted quite a few years for the LP, and got the CD as soon as it was out. But I agree that Total Eclipse is the best. It's overdue for reissue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 I like Medina quite a bit, but I like everything from the Hutch-Land collabortion. I second Total Eclipse, very nice date, but probably harder to find than Medina. I was lucky enough to find a copy of Total Eclipse used for $10 a couple of years ago, so miracles do happen. If you don't have Patterns, that's another nice one from that era. Again, if you can find these at reasonable prices, go for it! I would suggest checking used cd stores as I've seen Patterns at least three times over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcd74 Posted June 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 I was lucky enough to pick up Patterns off of Ebay a couple of weeks ago for $25 but haven't got it in the mail yet. Really looking forward to it. As for Medina the last one on Ebay went for around $60 plus about a month ago. There hasn't been another one on since. On Amazon Canada the cheapest one is $70. On Amazon US the cheapest one is $50. And Amazon UK is 40 pounds. To get for $15-20 is a great deal. I guess I can dream. Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donald petersen Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 the peace-maker is also a good one for land/hutcherson. better than i expected. i think there is a thread about it. some of the organissimo board higher ups don't love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 a) this is not seventies hutcherson, b) medina/spiral is a bad-ass two-fer, no matter which way you cut it... Even if you didn't need this product to complete your conn collection, you, in my opinion, still need this product. Hutcherson and Chambers are at each other's throats!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Total Eclipse has Chick on the bench... Medina/Spiral has Stanley Cowell. I like all three of these albums, but I pull Medina/Spiral more often than Total Eclipse. Apparently, this is an underrated BN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 I like it quite a lot. Don't forget that it also includes the Spiral session, so it's a really full disc. Quite true; you're in effect getting two records on one CD, which is nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 I was lucky enough to pick up Patterns off of Ebay a couple of weeks ago for $25 but haven't got it in the mail yet. Really looking forward to it. As for Medina the last one on Ebay went for around $60 plus about a month ago. There hasn't been another one on since. On Amazon Canada the cheapest one is $70. On Amazon US the cheapest one is $50. And Amazon UK is 40 pounds. To get for $15-20 is a great deal. I guess I can dream. Todd Yes, you're starting to make me feel really lucky! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalo Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 I was lucky enough to pick up Patterns off of Ebay a couple of weeks ago for $25 but haven't got it in the mail yet. Really looking forward to it. As for Medina the last one on Ebay went for around $60 plus about a month ago. There hasn't been another one on since. On Amazon Canada the cheapest one is $70. On Amazon US the cheapest one is $50. And Amazon UK is 40 pounds. To get for $15-20 is a great deal. I guess I can dream. Todd Yes, you're starting to make me feel really lucky! I feel really, really lucky, then. I got mine in a cut-out bin at the music store across the street from where I work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Maybe my least favorite of his 1970's BN work. My bad. I was thinking of Montara. Medina/Spiral is actually a really fine disc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 I was lucky enough to pick up Patterns off of Ebay a couple of weeks ago for $25 but haven't got it in the mail yet. Really looking forward to it. As for Medina the last one on Ebay went for around $60 plus about a month ago. There hasn't been another one on since. On Amazon Canada the cheapest one is $70. On Amazon US the cheapest one is $50. And Amazon UK is 40 pounds. To get for $15-20 is a great deal. I guess I can dream. Todd Yes, you're starting to make me feel really lucky! I feel really, really lucky, then. I got mine in a cut-out bin at the music store across the street from where I work! I guess I'm sorta of lucky as I bought both Patterns and Medina when the first cd issues of them came out. Total Eclipse was the icing on the cake-found used for 10 smackers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 My bad. I was thinking of Montara. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I LOVE MONTARA!!! I love Medina, too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyo Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 the peace-maker is also a good one for land/hutcherson. better than i expected. i think there is a thread about it. some of the organissimo board higher ups don't love it. I got this not too long ago as a Japanese CD and it's one of my favorites among the Hutch/Land stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunky Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 the peace-maker is also a good one for land/hutcherson. better than i expected. i think there is a thread about it. some of the organissimo board higher ups don't love it. I got this not too long ago as a Japanese CD and it's one of my favorites among the Hutch/Land stuff. Peace Maker is just fine IMO, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 I was lucky enough to pick up Patterns off of Ebay a couple of weeks ago for $25 but haven't got it in the mail yet. Really looking forward to it. As for Medina the last one on Ebay went for around $60 plus about a month ago. There hasn't been another one on since. On Amazon Canada the cheapest one is $70. On Amazon US the cheapest one is $50. And Amazon UK is 40 pounds. To get for $15-20 is a great deal. I guess I can dream. Todd Yes, you're starting to make me feel really lucky! I feel really, really lucky, then. I got mine in a cut-out bin at the music store across the street from where I work! I guess I'm sorta of lucky as I bought both Patterns and Medina when the first cd issues of them came out. Total Eclipse was the icing on the cake-found used for 10 smackers. Yeah, I made a point of grabbing all of the Hutcherson's 60's stuff back when it was in print. I had no idea his OOP cds were commanding such prices on ebay. Total Eclipse has the weirdest sound. It's like they added fake reverb afterwards, which explains why I don't listen to it that much. Good session though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Most recordings have "fake" reverb. In this case it might have been applied a bit carelessly, though. The sound in general is muddy. Original vinyl is not better in this regard. If anything, the otherwise so-so French DMM pressings sound OK in the case of this particular album. However, the music itself is excellent. The playing sounds more varied and dynamic than on the other collaborations of Hutcherson/Land. In a good sense, it doesn't really sound like a late 60s Blue Note album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert h. Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Most recordings have "fake" reverb. In this case it might have been applied a bit carelessly, though. The sound in general is muddy. Original vinyl is not better in this regard. If anything, the otherwise so-so French DMM pressings sound OK in the case of this particular album. However, the music itself is excellent. The playing sounds more varied and dynamic than on the other collaborations of Hutcherson/Land. In a good sense, it doesn't really sound like a late 60s Blue Note album. The Total Eclipse CD (if found) sounds perfectly fine, it is a remix by Malcolm Addey, the only possible complaint is that, due to the state of digital equipment at the time it was remastered, Harold Land sounds a bit on the metallic side. Total Eclipse is an absolute stone classic and should be at the top of the list for an RVG remaster, but my suspicion is - since they originally did a remix for the first CD issue which was very unusual at the time - there are master tape issues, or at least, the sound of the masters (reverb) are at issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 I played Total Eclipse this morning to listen for the reverb (I don't want to derail the thread because its the music not the sonics that we're discussing) and did not notice the reverb so much on the first two tracks, but starting with 'Matrix' on its very evident. It also reminded me what a great album this is. Does anyone else have the original cd issue (not the CC reissue) where if you look at the bottom of the cd, there's a bunch of tiny little dots all over it? Is that part of the manufacturing process or is this cd just getting old. Strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Most recordings have "fake" reverb. In this case it might have been applied a bit carelessly, though. The sound in general is muddy. Original vinyl is not better in this regard. If anything, the otherwise so-so French DMM pressings sound OK in the case of this particular album. However, the music itself is excellent. The playing sounds more varied and dynamic than on the other collaborations of Hutcherson/Land. In a good sense, it doesn't really sound like a late 60s Blue Note album. The Total Eclipse CD (if found) sounds perfectly fine, it is a remix by Malcolm Addey, the only possible complaint is that, due to the state of digital equipment at the time it was remastered, Harold Land sounds a bit on the metallic side. Total Eclipse is an absolute stone classic and should be at the top of the list for an RVG remaster, but my suspicion is - since they originally did a remix for the first CD issue which was very unusual at the time - there are master tape issues, or at least, the sound of the masters (reverb) are at issue. Yeah, it would be a logical move to RVG Total Eclipse next, since they've redone Happenings and Oblique (never thought I see that one RVG'd). My guess is that if they do another Hutch date, they would choose Stick Up first (although I'm fine with the sound on that one). Components could improve from an RVG treatment too, but it doesn't appear that one is on the RVG radar. I don't think Medina or Patterns were popular enough to see a reissue (they vanished pretty fast, especially Medina), which again is a shame, since both albums are very very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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