The Magnificent Goldberg Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 So...all the "essential" jazz recordings of the last 30-40 years have been on American "major" labels? Wow. Who knew? Yes, apart from 2 ECM albums, that's right. "Essential" has certainly got something to do with "authority" and, you've got to admit, the majors do have "authority" on their side. Shrug. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Soul jazz doesn't seem to have happened at all (except for one Jimmy Smith album). Par for the course. But, Soul Jazz addict though I am, I'd say that very little of it is essential, if you're looking for "authorised masters". That's part of the attraction, for me anyway. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Another "Jazz's History For Dummies" compiled by dummies. A futile low level academic exercize. Can anybody compile a 100 books/works/movies of Western Literature or Western Classical Music or Cinema's History? Man, I found most useful the "Best Hundred Recipes Of Aunt Maggie". Life is travelling, I don't like "All Inclusive Stuff at Cancun". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 where's Hot Dog? Where's Sonny Williams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Another "Jazz's History For Dummies" compiled by dummies. A futile low level academic exercize. So, just for kicks, can we compile an Organissimo-approved list of the "100 essential" albums? I'd be curious to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemonk Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 This list is funny. So many great musicians missing.... Who put this list together a teenager who thinks he has an impressive jazz collection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 (edited) Another "Jazz's History For Dummies" compiled by dummies. A futile low level academic exercize. So, just for kicks, can we compile an Organissimo-approved list of the "100 essential" albums? I'd be curious to see it. Well we sort of did that with "One Artist one Album". (BTW I think this New Yorker list is pretty good though it leaves out many of my favorites e.g Where's The Blues and the Abstract Truth? Allowing any artist only one cd or box set would make room for a lot of other artists and recordings. ) Edited May 15, 2008 by medjuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Lists are fun to read sometimes, but they're just lists. If MG, Chuck Nessa, Peter Friedman, and EKE BBB - to pick four random members here - all made up lists of 100 essential jazz records, I'm sure there would be major differences of opinion in what they compiled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Lists are fun to read sometimes, but they're just lists. If MG, Chuck Nessa, Peter Friedman, and EKE BBB - to pick four random members here - all made up lists of 100 essential jazz records, I'm sure there would be major differences of opinion in what they compiled. I am sure that we can agree on what keep out of the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Of course, this isn't a list for members of this board. In fact, it describes itself as "more a guide for the uninitiated than a source of quarrelling for the collector". A collection of records like this is suitable for a library requiring a high-quality, historically balanced selection for access to a general, non-specialist public. No way does it resemble the individual collection of anyone who knows and loves the music, though many of its items will coincide with collectors' choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkertown Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 I love this part...: "I ended up buying an Ornette Coleman CD, since I knew he's supposed to be pretty important, but that ended up being a total mistake." :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkertown Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 However, that's exactly what my wife would say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 However, that's exactly what my wife would say... Funnily enough, my wife loved Ornette's concerts we attended to...and hate his music coming from my loudspeakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 No AACM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 (edited) i just counted and i only have 15 of these... what did i do wrong? (no woody shaw on the list, no kenny dorham) Edited May 15, 2008 by Niko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Probably nothing. I don't have that much on the list, really, when I think about it. No Allen Lowe on there, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Got 28, FWIW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted May 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Got 28, FWIW. Mee too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brownian Motion Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 I can't speak to the entire list, but several important early jazz figures are missing entirely-- Art Tatum Roy Eldridge Bennie Moten Red Allen Bill Coleman Luis Russell Orchestra Cab Calloway McKinney's Cotton Pickers Benny Carter is here, but his work for Norman Granz in the 1950s lacks the brilliance of his 1930s sides. Fletcher Henderson's output cannot be fairly represented by a CD covering the years 1931-34. And finally, Pops "Plays W.C. Handy" is okay, especially since it gave Louis a reason to record some new material, instead of the same old stuff, but it's hardly essential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 (edited) I mean, what the fuck. I couldn't even compile a best of 2007 list. There were a number of really good/great records last year, but nothing inspiring a list for me. Plus, some of the best ones I didn't even hear until December/January/February and I'm sure there are still more fantastic dates from last year that I have YET to hear. I don't think I could even give you a "top ten" of all time. I could list ten records I really like and a few that "should be" cornerstones of this music, but... does anyone really care? Not to mention that a few of what I deem "essential" aren't even in-print on CD or never were in that format. Edited May 15, 2008 by clifford_thornton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 I have 56 on the list, not counting some of those Proper boxes and things where I have legit versions instead of the ones listed. How the hell did "A Fickle Sonance" end up on that list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeBop Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 No AACM. My (intended) words exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 (edited) That Jackie is pretty damn good. I mean, no point in swinging our dicks around about how many on the list we have. I feel no great loss not having some of these, and others I'll get to when I get to. If you want to come as close to understanding what this music is about, it's going to take more than 100 records for sure. Me, I'm still scratching the surface of the area that I'm most enthusiastic about. Edited May 15, 2008 by clifford_thornton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 That Jackie is pretty damn good. It is, but I would rank something like "Let Freedom Ring" much higher. IMHO. There are some good choices on the list (Tristano's Intuition was a nice touch), but yeah, 100 doesn't even scratch the proverbial surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Lists are fun to read sometimes, but they're just lists. If MG, Chuck Nessa, Peter Friedman, and EKE BBB - to pick four random members here - all made up lists of 100 essential jazz records, I'm sure there would be major differences of opinion in what they compiled. Well I did - just to see how hard it would be. Took damn near all day. http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=42970 MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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