mgraham333 Posted December 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 It looks like my original copy. It's possible that Blue Note had extra packaging (booklet, tray cards), and that's why they chose this title to issue. I found it significant that Amazon listed the label as Blue Note. That says to me that they're standing behind the quality of the product. Definitely not original packaging. It was made on demand along with the discs but as you can see, very well done. As far as Amazon backing the product - where the product description discloses the CD-R it also reads "Amazon.com's standard return policy will apply. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Matt, how can you tell that the packaging is not from an offset press? I'm curious about this process. The company must have at least on digital press and capacity to trim/fold/saddle stitch the booklets efficiently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Johnson Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Has anyone been able to track down a complete list of these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgraham333 Posted December 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Matt, how can you tell that the packaging is not from an offset press? I'm curious about this process. The company must have at least on digital press and capacity to trim/fold/saddle stitch the booklets efficiently. I hate to call them inkjet streaks because that would be overstating it. But when viewed at an angle you can see lines from top to botton on the cover pages and pages with photos. Again, these aren't as bad as your entry-level consumer inkjets where there can be small but visible gaps in the image. What's funny is that when I tried to scan it to show what I am talking about they didn't show up. The lines are really only visible from an angle. Bottom line (no pun intended) seems much more like a pro-sumer print job than full-blown offset press. One final note - could someone with an original copy check the liner notes to see if Michael Cuscuna is listed as Coscuna in the opening sentence. It appears as Coscuna in my version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgraham333 Posted December 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Based on this release I would consider purchasing others like it where the original CD is no longer available or where used versions are selling at collector prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkertown Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 It's also misspelled in my genuine copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakeostrin Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I am having a heartbeat looking at that also, but I am wondering how many CD's I have in my collection that in fact are CD-R's. I find the packaging very distressing in that it very much resembles, via the scan (and thank you again for posting it) my actual copy of the CD (from memory--I can't locate my copy). However, at least for this CD, it displays a bar code on the disc. I don't recall ever seeing that on any original Blue Notes or any others. I have wondered also, about the prevalence of counterfeit mini-lp CD's. Sure, some of these mini-lp's can fetch big prices on e-bay, but the market itself for jazz is so limited, I would think that people would not bother to counterfeit jazz CD's. I hope I am wrong and welcome input. In summary, from reading the previous posts, you really can't distinguish by looking, at least casually? You needed to inspect the booklet at an angle. I recall reading on a previous post (on counterfeits, I believe) that someone mentioned that with counterfeits, you will not see the manufacturers serial number imprinted on the non-playing part of the CD. With regard to this legitimate CD-r, does it also have markings imprinted onto the CD and the inner clear part of the plastic? Thanks, Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I am having a heartbeat looking at that also, but I am wondering how many CD's I have in my collection that in fact are CD-R's. I find the packaging very distressing in that it very much resembles, via the scan (and thank you again for posting it) my actual copy of the CD (from memory--I can't locate my copy). However, at least for this CD, it displays a bar code on the disc. I don't recall ever seeing that on any original Blue Notes or any others. I have wondered also, about the prevalence of counterfeit mini-lp CD's. Sure, some of these mini-lp's can fetch big prices on e-bay, but the market itself for jazz is so limited, I would think that people would not bother to counterfeit jazz CD's. I hope I am wrong and welcome input. In summary, from reading the previous posts, you really can't distinguish by looking, at least casually? You needed to inspect the booklet at an angle. I recall reading on a previous post (on counterfeits, I believe) that someone mentioned that with counterfeits, you will not see the manufacturers serial number imprinted on the non-playing part of the CD. With regard to this legitimate CD-r, does it also have markings imprinted onto the CD and the inner clear part of the plastic? Thanks, Baker CDRs are easily distinguishable from regular CDs because the back of the CDR has a bluish tint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Not all CDRs have a bluish tint. Some are silvery like regular CDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Not all CDRs have a bluish tint. Some are silvery like regular CDs. Which brands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 TDK, DiscRite, DiscPlanet, and some generic brands I have seen listed. I believe that there were some Candid reissues on nearly-indistinguishable CD-Rs. I believe that the reissuing company owned up to using CD-Rs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I have wondered also, about the prevalence of counterfeit mini-lp CD's. Sure, some of these mini-lp's can fetch big prices on e-bay, but the market itself for jazz is so limited, I would think that people would not bother to counterfeit jazz CD's. I hope I am wrong and welcome input. I have some "interesting origin" ECM mini-lp's (Jarrett, several Garbarek's) and some other jazz mini-lp's (Cohn-Sims, Corea Tones for Joan's Bones) that I got in trade from a guy in Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I have wondered also, about the prevalence of counterfeit mini-lp CD's. Sure, some of these mini-lp's can fetch big prices on e-bay, but the market itself for jazz is so limited, I would think that people would not bother to counterfeit jazz CD's. I hope I am wrong and welcome input. I have some "interesting origin" ECM mini-lp's (Jarrett, several Garbarek's) and some other jazz mini-lp's (Cohn-Sims, Corea Tones for Joan's Bones) that I got in trade from a guy in Russia. Well, that's interesting. I wonder if they pirate them primarily for the Japanese market, and then a few end up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I have wondered also, about the prevalence of counterfeit mini-lp CD's. Sure, some of these mini-lp's can fetch big prices on e-bay, but the market itself for jazz is so limited, I would think that people would not bother to counterfeit jazz CD's. I hope I am wrong and welcome input. I have some "interesting origin" ECM mini-lp's (Jarrett, several Garbarek's) and some other jazz mini-lp's (Cohn-Sims, Corea Tones for Joan's Bones) that I got in trade from a guy in Russia. Well, that's interesting. I wonder if they pirate them primarily for the Japanese market, and then a few end up here. I don't think so - these have clearly Russian markings on them for some of the company credits, etc. Not nearly pure enough in appearance for the Japanese market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Not all CDRs have a bluish tint. Some are silvery like regular CDs. I've heard that the darker blue ones somehow hold info better than the silvery ones. No idea if there's any science to back that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I have wondered also, about the prevalence of counterfeit mini-lp CD's. Sure, some of these mini-lp's can fetch big prices on e-bay, but the market itself for jazz is so limited, I would think that people would not bother to counterfeit jazz CD's. I hope I am wrong and welcome input. I have some "interesting origin" ECM mini-lp's (Jarrett, several Garbarek's) and some other jazz mini-lp's (Cohn-Sims, Corea Tones for Joan's Bones) that I got in trade from a guy in Russia. And just because it's a Japanese mini-LP doesn't mean it's legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakeostrin Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 I agree regarding the possibility Japanese mini-lp not being legitimate; but how would you know? I remember going to Rhino Records once and finding several Japanese issued Horace Parlan CD's, which I yanked out of the used bin. Then I looked at them closely and it appeared that the inlay cards were color photocopies. Obviously done well enough to attract my attention while flipping through stacks of CD's, but also so obvious as not to pass a careful inspection (note, when I was back next week, the Parlans had been sold). This Melle set, on the other hand, looks extremely well done. Again, I appreciate the input. And to John Felser, whom I remember from the old Jazz Trading Post, do the Russian CD's have the imprints on the "dead areas"? Regards and thanks, Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterintoronto Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Speaking of CD-r's, I've always noticed Downtown Music Gallery's catalog includes a few CD-r copies of OOP LPs that have never made it to CD (search for Noah Howard or Archie Shepp if you like). Am I being naive in thinking that they are approved by the artists/sending them a chunk of the money? I probably am, aren't I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Speaking of CD-r's, I've always noticed Downtown Music Gallery's catalog includes a few CD-r copies of OOP LPs that have never made it to CD (search for Noah Howard or Archie Shepp if you like). Am I being naive in thinking that they are approved by the artists/sending them a chunk of the money? I probably am, aren't I? Which reminds me - why hasn't the Noah Howard Judson Hall album ever made any of the ESP-Disk reissue programs? That's a great album, as good as anything ever done on that label. Also, the Archie Shepp-Philly Joe Jones album would be nice to see on CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen archer Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 (edited) Not my auction, on ebay with less than 2 hours at a decent price. http://cgi.ebay.com/Gil-Melle-Complete-Blu...%3A1%7C294%3A50 Edited December 14, 2008 by zen archer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Not my auction, on ebay with less than 2 hours at a decent price. http://cgi.ebay.com/Gil-Melle-Complete-Blu...%3A1%7C294%3A50 Went for 25 dollars. Stated as a Japanese import, no less! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Went for 25 dollars. Stated as a Japanese import, no less! But they give the US UPC code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD45 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 This set went from $17 to $33.56 all of a sudden. Still CD-rs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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