J.A.W. Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Any comments on the sound quality of the hybrid SACDs that Fantasy released in October 2003? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vibes Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 I don't know if it's up your alley, Hans, but the "Charlie Brown Christmas" CD sounds excellent. I picked it up today and have it on right now. The main thing that has caught my attention thus far is the quality of the bass sound - to my ears, far improved over the previous CD edition. Just comparing this with the other Guaraldi SACD I have (Jazz Impressions of Black Orpheus), I think they did a better job with that one than the Christmas one, but both sound great, regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 I posted a reply in this AAJ thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgraham333 Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 I bought Coltrane's Lush Life SACD on Prestige and was not disappointed. Although I was not blown away either. I have the regular version and do notice a difference. Similar to, if not slightly better than, the increase in fidelity in the K2 20-bit versions. I was really hoping to have Donald Byrd standing in my living room during his solo on the title track, but alas he was still trapped inside my speakers...but the sides were bulging B) The sound is really crisp and clear, but not quite as life-like as other SACDs I own. If you can catch it on sale somewhere don't hesitate, but at full price I might be inclined to pick up two regular OJCs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 I have written in this thread that the SACD versions are noticibly better than the K2 CDs, but that's not true of all of them. I've just compared the Thelonious Monk with John Coltrane SACD with the US K2 CD, and the latter has a much better remastering. The K2 CD sounds a bit brighter (that is usually the case with all XRCD and K2 remasterings), but also much fuller and dynamic. The bass is almost inaudible on the SACD. The overall sound is distant and thin in comparision. The biggest difference is on the stereo tracks from the "Monk´s Music" session. Here the SACD suffers from a strange dephasing effect between the channels, which makes the stereo basis exaggerately broad and creates a hole between the channels which reduces the impact of the sound. Either the K2 engineers have used different tapes or corrected this. The Monk SACD is from the first Fantasy SACD batch and has been remastered by Joe Tarantino. The same engineer produced much better results with the Art Pepper & Eleven SACD from the second batch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacknife Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Eric Dolphy - Out There is sounding pretty darn good to me but I've never heard this album in any other form so not sure if it's a good upgrade or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swinger Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 jacknife: I'd really like to hear Out There as SACD edition.I have its quite recently remaster 24-bit version and it sounds *really* nice as well. There is something eerie about Ron Carter's cello playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Zweitausendeins has a batch of Fantasy SACDs for sale. Does anybody of you know if they are German or US manufactured, or even compared them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJ Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Definitely demo the Dolphy SACD vs CD side by side before "upgrading" if you can...I find the Dolphy Prestige recordings (studio ones at least) to be VERY excellent in terms of the original recordings...I have the Prestige CD box set and they sound great...my suspicion is that any upgrade in sound would be relatively minor unless you have a pretty excellent listening system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted April 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Definitely demo the Dolphy SACD vs CD side by side before "upgrading" if you can...I find the Dolphy Prestige recordings (studio ones at least) to be VERY excellent in terms of the original recordings...I have the Prestige CD box set and they sound great...my suspicion is that any upgrade in sound would be relatively minor unless you have a pretty excellent listening system. A while ago I compared the Japanese 20-bit Digital K2 remastered mini-LP CD reissue of the Dolphy and the CD-layer of the SACD, and the latter "won", albeit by a very narrow margin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjobbe Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 (edited) Zweitausendeins has a batch of Fantasy SACDs for sale. Does anybody of you know if they are German or US manufactured, or even compared them? what I got from ZYX is that they use the US masters but manufacture them here. Else there is no ZYX involvement in this SACD distribution. BTW: ZYX is selling them in their EBAY SHOP for even 1€ less then 2001, Mike... Cheers, Tjobbe Edited April 30, 2004 by tjobbe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Zweitausendeins has a batch of Fantasy SACDs for sale. Does anybody of you know if they are German or US manufactured, or even compared them? what I got from ZYX is that they use the US masters but manufacture them here. Else there is no ZYX involvement in this SACD distribution. BTW: ZYX is selling them in their EBAY SHOP for even 1€ less then 2001, Mike... Cheers, Tjobbe Hi tjobbe, Did you buy from them already? They write in the auction text "Import auf(?) Amerika"?! Will you get the ZYX pressing or the 'original' US pressing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjobbe Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 (edited) Hi Alfred, looking at some of the ones I received.. it says "Printed in U.S.A" ...so I assume ZYX does only reselling rather then any rework (as the phone contact I have there has anyway confirmed that they won't re-do any mastering here compared to their sometimes -but not always- "crappy" remasters) Hope that helps... Cheers, Tjobbe BTW: ifd you check their ebay shop, I can highly recommend the Sonny Rollins 5CD box (although assuming you have it already )! EDIT: and yes.. I buy those direclty from them (sometimes through ebay.de or directly via phone) Edited May 1, 2004 by tjobbe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Eric Dolphy - Out There is sounding pretty darn good to me but I've never heard this album in any other form so not sure if it's a good upgrade or not. Agreed. This one sounds real nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Anyone heard the SACD of "Gil Evans + 10"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted May 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Anyone heard the SACD of "Gil Evans + 10"? I've only been able to listen to the CD-layer and that's great. It even made me sell my Japanese 20-bit Digital K2 remastered mini-LP CD reissue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted May 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Anyone heard the SACD of "Gil Evans + 10"? Check out the link Claude posted above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluerein Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 The Ebay Store of ZYX charges ridiculous shipping costs within the EU (euro 8 for 1 cd). So this is no option for people outside Germany I guess. Cheers, Reinier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hununu Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 (edited) The Ebay Store of ZYX charges ridiculous shipping costs within the EU (euro 8 for 1 cd). So this is no option for people outside Germany I guess. Cheers, Reinier Hey Reinier, Can you recommend some good european stores? Portugal hasn't got many stores selling rare or quality cd pressings. One of the biggest fnac stores in lisbon had like 30 different albuns in sacd.. and a tierney sutton sacd set me back 26 euros last time... So, I am looking for good european shops (online, pay via cc preferably) to get some quality cds (special editions, remasters)/sacds jazz and classical mainly. Please, if someone has nice bookmarks.html that can share with good shops, please do share :-) ps: the worst thing is that I have emailed national distributors for telarc, etc and they don't reply me telling where I can buy their stuff. All the best, BA Edited May 3, 2004 by hununu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 amazon.de is not that bad I should think. They charge 4,31 EUR per shipment to Portugal plus 0,86 for each item. www.zweitausendeins.de has a limited number of items but at prices that are hard to beat. They charge 8,70EUR per shipment within the EU independent of the weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjobbe Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 The Ebay Store of ZYX charges ridiculous shipping costs within the EU (euro 8 for 1 cd). So this is no option for people outside Germany I guess. Cheers, Reinier Hey Reinier, Can you recommend some good european stores? Portugal hasn't got many stores selling rare or quality cd pressings. One of the biggest fnac stores in lisbon had like 30 different albuns in sacd.. and a tierney sutton sacd set me back 26 euros last time... So, I am looking for good european shops (online, pay via cc preferably) to get some quality cds (special editions, remasters)/sacds jazz and classical mainly. Please, if someone has nice bookmarks.html that can share with good shops, please do share :-) ps: the worst thing is that I have emailed national distributors for telarc, etc and they don't reply me telling where I can buy their stuff. All the best, BA @hununu: I'm ordering regular CD's in the US .. I only buy those on sale here in Germany.... (addresses as couw mentioned... maybe www.jpc.de might be interesting too) the only alternative european online shop I (have) frequently use(d) is(was) www.play.com in Jerses (as they do not add shipping cost, although prices are not to cheap sometimes and they do not have all products available).... Cheers, Tjobbe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted May 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 I've had some serious problems with www.jpc.de. Every time I ordered CDs from them, they immediately charged my credit card, before they even knew whether or not they'd be able to supply the discs. The amounts they charged were always higher than the actual amount of the order. I found out what they had done when I was confronted with an overdraft on my card I knew nothing about. When I asked jpc about this they replied they'd refund the overcharge once the order was completed (which could take some time). I never ordered anything from them again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjobbe Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 I've had some serious problems with www.jpc.de. Every time I ordered CDs from them, they immediately charged my credit card, before they even knew whether or not they'd be able to supply the discs. The amounts they charged were always higher than the actual amount of the order. I found out what they had done when I was confronted with an overdraft on my card I knew nothing about. When I asked jpc about this they replied they'd refund the overcharge once the order was completed (which could take some time). I never ordered anything from them again. strange Hans, but I never use CC with them but invoice only so I pay what I've got... maybe they have different AGB's when dealing outside Germany. So you may be right not recommending them . Cheers, Tjobbe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 The biggest difference is on the stereo tracks from the "Monk´s Music" session. Here the SACD suffers from a strange dephasing effect between the channels, which makes the stereo basis exaggerately broad and creates a hole between the channels which reduces the impact of the sound. Either the K2 engineers have used different tapes or corrected this. Unless my memory has completely left, I think the K2 of Monk's Music is mastered from the mono tapes except for the composite "Crepuscule". The previous OJC had 6 of 8 tracks in stereo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hununu Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 tjobbe, In germany don't you have customs taxes? I don't order from US due to customs that are extremely high... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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