Guy Berger Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 I was listening to the "Stanley Turrentine" station on pandora.com and this tune from the Jeff Lorber album Flipside came up. Pleasant, lightweight, inoffensive smooth jazz. But the song title is bizarre - it sounded nothing like Mr. Blount, or at least like nothing *I've* heard from him. What's the genesis of the song title? Quote
JSngry Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 Don't know, but Lorber was of a time/place/generation/whatever when many (most, perhaps...) of the people making the type of music he was making were hipper than they music they were making might lead you to believe. Quote
Dan Gould Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 Forget the derivation of the song title, how the hell did Pandora pull that out of its hat for the "Stanley Turrentine" station? Quote
BeBop Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 Don't know, but Lorber was of a time/place/generation/whatever when many (most, perhaps...) of the people making the type of music he was making were hipper than they music they were making might lead you to believe. Didn't that Kenny Gorelick guy used to play with Lorber? Maybe that's where the "hipness" came from. Once upon a time, I had a Jeff Lorber album that was nearly listenable. Still, it seems like "Sun Ra" would have been a typo for "Sun Ray". Quote
RDK Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 Anybody ever hear Kenny G's Roscoe Mitchell tribute? Quote
B. Clugston Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 Anybody ever hear Kenny G's Roscoe Mitchell tribute? Is that the one where he overdubs himself on S II Examples? Quote
Guy Berger Posted September 3, 2009 Author Report Posted September 3, 2009 Forget the derivation of the song title, how the hell did Pandora pull that out of its hat for the "Stanley Turrentine" station? Well, smooth jazz has pretty clear roots in soul jazz - some of Stanley's late 60s albums have music that prefigures smooth. Quote
JSngry Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 Thank you for noticing! Besides, for a lot of people, Stanley Turrentine was only a myth before he started recording for Fantasy... Quote
Dave James Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 I actually saw the Jeff Lorber band featuring Mr. G many moons ago. They opened for Pat Metheny. Go figure. Lorber did a tune called Delevan's that I used to like a lot. It was named after a long gone Portland eatery where he used to play. Up over and out. Quote
Dan Gould Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 Forget the derivation of the song title, how the hell did Pandora pull that out of its hat for the "Stanley Turrentine" station? Well, smooth jazz has pretty clear roots in soul jazz - some of Stanley's late 60s albums have music that prefigures smooth. Yeah but is that formally reflected in Pandora's methods of choosing music? Does a Roy Eldredge station play some Dizzy, because one was a significant influence on the other? Whenever I listen to Pandora and I click on the "why was this played" link (or whatever its called) I get something about "saxophone solo" or "medium tempo" or some such shit, nothing about influences from the distant past. If anything, late 60s Stanley Turrentine might be played on a smooth jazz station. If that's the way Pandora works. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 i dunno but jeff lorbers a special guest this comming i think sunday, at an area casino where they have sunday night smooth jazz...free admn. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 Go ask him and report back! Apparently Carlos Ward and Kenny G had the same saxophone teacher in Seattle. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 well is it a jokey-joke or is it true, first of all? what album is that from? cerntainly not watersign Quote
Guy Berger Posted September 4, 2009 Author Report Posted September 4, 2009 well is it a jokey-joke or is it true, first of all? what album is that from? cerntainly not watersign Definitely true - it's on the Flipside album. Quote
Guy Berger Posted September 4, 2009 Author Report Posted September 4, 2009 Forget the derivation of the song title, how the hell did Pandora pull that out of its hat for the "Stanley Turrentine" station? Well, smooth jazz has pretty clear roots in soul jazz - some of Stanley's late 60s albums have music that prefigures smooth. Yeah but is that formally reflected in Pandora's methods of choosing music? Does a Roy Eldredge station play some Dizzy, because one was a significant influence on the other? Whenever I listen to Pandora and I click on the "why was this played" link (or whatever its called) I get something about "saxophone solo" or "medium tempo" or some such shit, nothing about influences from the distant past. If anything, late 60s Stanley Turrentine might be played on a smooth jazz station. If that's the way Pandora works. Dan - on the Stanley Turrentine station, David Sanborn's lush version of "Come Rain or Come Shine" (which I wouldn't necessarily characterize as smooth jazz) just came up. Why was this played? "Based on what you've told us so far, we're playing this track because it features smooth jazz infleunces, a leisurely tempo, tenor sax head, a tenor sax solo and a horn ensemble." Similar songs: "You Are too Beautiful" (Lockjaw), "Don't Follow the Crowd" (Gary Smulyan), Stan's Mood (Getz) Quote
7/4 Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 If you like Jeff Lorber, you're gonna love Sun Ra. Would someone on an Internet message board lie to you? That would never happen. Quote
Dan Gould Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 Forget the derivation of the song title, how the hell did Pandora pull that out of its hat for the "Stanley Turrentine" station? Well, smooth jazz has pretty clear roots in soul jazz - some of Stanley's late 60s albums have music that prefigures smooth. Yeah but is that formally reflected in Pandora's methods of choosing music? Does a Roy Eldredge station play some Dizzy, because one was a significant influence on the other? Whenever I listen to Pandora and I click on the "why was this played" link (or whatever its called) I get something about "saxophone solo" or "medium tempo" or some such shit, nothing about influences from the distant past. If anything, late 60s Stanley Turrentine might be played on a smooth jazz station. If that's the way Pandora works. Dan - on the Stanley Turrentine station, David Sanborn's lush version of "Come Rain or Come Shine" (which I wouldn't necessarily characterize as smooth jazz) just came up. Why was this played? "Based on what you've told us so far, we're playing this track because it features smooth jazz infleunces, a leisurely tempo, tenor sax head, a tenor sax solo and a horn ensemble." Similar songs: "You Are too Beautiful" (Lockjaw), "Don't Follow the Crowd" (Gary Smulyan), Stan's Mood (Getz) Interesting. I haven't let Pandora program anything for me in a long while, but if I did, I would quickly teach it to nuke playing any of Mr. T's smooth jazz descendants. Quote
JSngry Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 I would imagine that many/most herehaven't dug too much (if at all) into T's Fantasy/Elektra output, but I'm telling you, there's a whole 'nother set of listeners who have... I've only recently been checking it out myself, and have found it to be mostly better than I expected, but mostly not as good as I wanted. There area few exceptions though... Quote
BeBop Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 Anything like the Blackbyrd stuff? Quote
JSngry Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 Not really...more like Salt Song ran through a very efficient grit remover...mostly. Lots of "production", "sweetening", etc. But there's a few things that aren't too bad, one of 'ems a date w/Ogermann, iirc, something like East Side Highway or something. I can look when I get home. But overall...only for completists, the highly curious, and those who like that type of thing. Quote
JSngry Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 Lots of "production", "sweetening", etc. But there's a few things that aren't too bad, one of 'ems a date w/Ogermann, iirc, something like East Side Highway or something. I can look when I get home. West Side Highway, that's what it was. http://www.discogs.com/Stanley-Turrentine-...release/1411952 T blows just dandily on this one. The settings are not great, but far from awful. Not "recommended" necessarily, but definitely "suggested" for those so inclined, or who think they might be. Quote
DMP Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 (edited) Lots of "production", "sweetening", etc. But there's a few things that aren't too bad, one of 'ems a date w/Ogermann, iirc, something like East Side Highway or something. I can look when I get home. West Side Highway, that's what it was. http://www.discogs.com/Stanley-Turrentine-...release/1411952 T blows just dandily on this one. The settings are not great, but far from awful. Not "recommended" necessarily, but definitely "suggested" for those so inclined, or who think they might be. There's one of my favorite Turrentine songs on there - "Stan's Thing" - I like it so much I paid way too much for a Japanese CD of the album. (Had to edit this - the keys are sticking - I have to begin enforcing the "no juiceboxes around the computer" rule.") Edited September 5, 2009 by DMP Quote
Guy Berger Posted September 8, 2009 Author Report Posted September 8, 2009 Forget the derivation of the song title, how the hell did Pandora pull that out of its hat for the "Stanley Turrentine" station? Well, smooth jazz has pretty clear roots in soul jazz - some of Stanley's late 60s albums have music that prefigures smooth. Yeah but is that formally reflected in Pandora's methods of choosing music? Does a Roy Eldredge station play some Dizzy, because one was a significant influence on the other? Whenever I listen to Pandora and I click on the "why was this played" link (or whatever its called) I get something about "saxophone solo" or "medium tempo" or some such shit, nothing about influences from the distant past. If anything, late 60s Stanley Turrentine might be played on a smooth jazz station. If that's the way Pandora works. The song reappeared and I checked why it was recommended to me. " Based on what you’ve told us so far, we’re playing this track because it features smooth jazz elements, a melodic piano solo, light drumming, muted trumpet playing and electric bass playing." Quote
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