JSngry Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 BFT THIS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 It sez on the label: "Instrumental trumpet solo by Charley Tabor" (not sure about the last name, a bit small). But WOW! Fucking WOW!!!!! MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I think this is a bit too closely modelled after Creole Love Call ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Sure... but what's too close? The solo? MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 The whole thing, melody & all. And I agree that it's "too close for comfort", but...that's not really my point. My point is that, plagiarized or not, WTF is a Bert Kaempfert record doing sounding like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 The whole thing, melody & all. Oh well, I haven't heard any Duke Ellington versions of that tune from way back, as far as I can remember - and I think I would. And I agree that it's "too close for comfort", but...that's not really my point. My point is that, plagiarized or not, WTF is a Bert Kaempfert record doing sounding like this? Er... being a B side? A lot of freedom in B sides. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 My point is that, plagiarized or not, WTF is a Bert Kaempfert record doing sounding like this? Well, he probably had to get it out once ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I'm shocked that he even had it in him to get out! But maybe I shouldn't be, eh? (and I mean that in a non-Canadian way...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 me like. Sorta like Duke in the absence of taste. How can you go wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Cheap theft with a trumpet imitation. Not cool on any level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 I don't know - it's like cheese that has been sitting just a little too long - it's got a real odor, which some will hate but others will like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 just read what I wrote previously - that may be the dumbest thing I've ever said. of course, it still might be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 It is hard for us to choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) well, through self-hypnosis I have learned to channel my inner idiot: LOWE AT HOME Edited October 27, 2009 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Cheap theft with a trumpet imitation. Not cool on any level. No argument, but cool is not really what struck me. What struck me was just a gigantic WTF? that it even existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) well I still think there's something to be said for throwing taste and ethics to the wind - I think of Kaempfert, with that arrangement, as playing Sonny Stitt to Duke's Bird. Edited October 27, 2009 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 ? even with the edit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 don't ask me - I just write the stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nelson Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 A sho-nuff rip of 'Creole Love Call', probably a one-off to fill the B-side of the 1961 #1 hit, 'Wonderland By Night'. Maybe Decca wanted to make DAMN SURE the DJs wouldn't flip it and play any 'Stuff'. Also, radio station Music Directors were known to drag nails across grooves or affix file folder labels over the 'wrong' tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 you know, no one would have objected if he'd called it "Tribute to Duke" or "Cretin Love Call" or made it otherwise obvious what he was doing - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) True ... but Kaempfert sure wasn't hip enough to call it "Cretin Love Call". Edited October 27, 2009 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) True ... but Kaempfert sure wasn't hip enough to call it "Cretin Love Call". I don't like Kaempfert's music and could never be bothered enough to get any of his records into my collection at all but following his TV documentary and listening to some of his music afterwards it just has to be said he did have guts in his musical convictions and in what he aspired for in "popular ORCHESTRA music" (note the difference between "Orchestra music" and jazz/r&b/rock etc "orchestra" music). Not my cuppa tea at all but still ... So there's no more need to put him down than there is to put down contemporary bandleaders (AND jazz sellouts to boot) such as Horst Jankowski and his silly "Black Forest Sleigh Ride" nonsense (that still seems to dim the minds of befuddled U.S. ebay sellers who regularly list his MOR pop platters as "jazz"). Unfathomable over here ... Not to speak of the even more blatantly commercial U.S. MOR, easy listening, background music orchestras that plagued the music scene of the 50s, 60s etc. that were REALLY, REALLY, REALLY awful stylewise and yet are often being touted as being oh so great in giving hungry jazzmen ample bread to eat when they were called in to put their craft (NOT their inspiration ) at the orchestra leaders' disposal there. Edited October 27, 2009 by Big Beat Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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