French BN Blue Trane Picture sleeve....domestic USA RVG stamped 45 ins

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

omg, i had no idea about this....is is def. a french sleeve but omg inside its a regular US isssue w/ RVG in the deadwax...wtf?

[Chuck Nessa]

?

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

sleeve says-

Imp. Carron & Fils- Villeurbanne

stamp on the RVG stamped BN 45-1691 says:

S.D.R.M

then a large: BIEM (?)

[Brad]

Just the usual from Aric.

[BruceH]

Toss that thing, chewy, it's probably going to explode.

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

what dont u undertsand its a

---FRENCH picture sleeve

---DOMESTIC USA BN 45, RVG STAMPERS

---WITH A LITTLE IMPORT STAMP STICKER OF SOME SORT AFFIXED LIKE A POSTAGE STAMP TO THE LABEL OF SIDE A OF THE 45

BLUE TRAIN

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

what more do u want from me

Edited March 1, 2010 by chewy

[clifford_thornton]

I have a couple of BN LPs bought overseas with French "BIEM" import stamps on the labels.

Don't know about 45 P/S discs but Paris Jazz Corner sometimes has stuff like that. In fact, I've seen a couple of late '50s/early '60s Donald Byrd French BN 45s.

Here's an oddball: Grant Green

[Guest Bill Barton]

Looks like a sweet find to me. Only conjecture, but perhaps it was imported from the States to France and then made its way back here, therefore the BIEM sticker (which is an international organization representing mechanical rights societies).

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

yea, its weird how it was exported to france, then imported back to usa, where i bought it...

[brownie]

Nice find. The BIEM sticker is legal proof that copyrights for the import to France of the disc had been cleared. Albums that were imported to France through the '50s and '60s had to carry that sticker before being sold in stores.

[JohnS]

Imports into the UK also carried a stamp to indicate that a fee had been paid for the performing rights.

Edited March 1, 2010 by JohnS

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

Nice find. The BIEM sticker is legal proof that copyrights for the import to France of the disc had been cleared. Albums that were imported to France through the '50s and '60s had to carry that sticker before being sold in stores.

THANK YOU BROWNIE!

so BN did ship a few of the discs for this purpsose...to have local pic sleeves made for them, and....

back says:

Notre Pochette: Photo X

does that mean: Frank Wolff sent us these prints to use but we forgot to credit him?

[brownie]

Nice find. The BIEM sticker is legal proof that copyrights for the import to France of the disc had been cleared. Albums that were imported to France through the '50s and '60s had to carry that sticker before being sold in stores.

THANK YOU BROWNIE!

so BN did ship a few of the discs for this purpsose...to have local pic sleeves made for them, and....

back says:

Notre Pochette: Photo X

does that mean: Frank Wolff sent us these prints to use but we forgot to credit him?

Can't remember who imported Blue Note to France in the early '60s. The cover to the twelve-inch vinyls were the original ones.

For their EPs, they usually had photos that were different from the ones used in the States.

Several were taken by by Jean-Pierre Leloir, such as these

Also chewy now that you are becoming an expert, please make a note that Trane's album was titled Blue TRAIN, not Blue Trane

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

fine print:

Imp. Carron & Fils- Villeurbanne

[clifford_thornton]

Imp. Glory (Clichy) was always my favorite.

[brownie]

Dillard was mine. They were based in Paris. Parisians have to stick together

[clifford_thornton]

I know. Clichy just reminds me of a Henry Miller book.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

I know. Clichy just reminds me of a Henry Miller book.

They could have had an organ room there called the Clichy Cliché Lounge

GROAN

MG

Imports into the UK also carried a stamp to indicate that a fee had been paid for the performing rights.

I had/have a couple of those.

MG

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

im sorry im keeping this 45 in sequential order w/ its other 1600 BN 45 series friends, in its respective folder, i really dont need the sleeve as a a collectors art piece, if any of you want to trade for it....maybe i should put it on ebay.......

[clifford_thornton]

Keep the sleeve - you'll thank yourself later.

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

eh.......what u say has some merit....but i DID file the 45 in order in my bluenote 45 book......

[clifford_thornton]

You can send the sleeve to me, but only if we become facebook friends.

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

lol

[Stereojack]

im sorry im keeping this 45 in sequential order w/ its other 1600 BN 45 series friends, in its respective folder, i really dont need the sleeve as a a collectors art piece, if any of you want to trade for it....maybe i should put it on ebay.......

I had a similar item a few years ago. A Horace Silver French sleeve with a US Blue Note 45 inside, with the sticker. Put it on Ebay, got 10 bucks.