clifford_thornton Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 yeah, I'd buy the Haden/Hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Anyone know what the 'folk' theme is that Haden plays on 'Rambin'' and then on many other recordings. He likes to quote it towards the end of a solo - I assume it goes back to his singing days. I ask because I heard a theme very similar in the instrumental accompaniment of 'I Truly Understand You Love Another Man' by Shortbuckle Roarke and Family (1928) off the 'Really the Blues?' collection. It might be a generic theme. Just curious. Can be heard here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Anyone know what the 'folk' theme is that Haden plays on 'Rambin'' and then on many other recordings. He likes to quote it towards the end of a solo - I assume it goes back to his singing days. I ask because I heard a theme very similar in the instrumental accompaniment of 'I Truly Understand You Love Another Man' by Shortbuckle Roarke and Family (1928) off the 'Really the Blues?' collection. It might be a generic theme. Just curious. Can be heard here: I think it's "Old Joe Clark" but I'd have to dbl check to be sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 (edited) Anyone know what the 'folk' theme is that Haden plays on 'Rambin'' and then on many other recordings. He likes to quote it towards the end of a solo - I assume it goes back to his singing days. I ask because I heard a theme very similar in the instrumental accompaniment of 'I Truly Understand You Love Another Man' by Shortbuckle Roarke and Family (1928) off the 'Really the Blues?' collection. It might be a generic theme. Just curious. Can be heard here: I think it's "Old Joe Clark" but I'd have to dbl check to be sure. I think you may be right. Just checked it on Youtube and the Haden sequence seems to come in the second half of the tune. A number of sites confirm this. From one: Even the famous down-home, country-sounding solo on Ramblin' (from Change of the Century) is really a duet with drummer Billy Higgins, who keeps the whole thing kicking along. Ian Dury lifted part of Haden's solo for the melody of Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll. When he fessed up to this in London, Haden responded that that was fine because he'd nicked it from an old country-bluegrass song, Old Joe Clark. http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jul/20/charlie-haden-music-marrow-bones Thank you. Edited September 1, 2014 by A Lark Ascending Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srellek Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 I've also heard it argued that Cowboy Charlie might be referencing "Lonesome Valley". In any case, such an unlikely but sublime juxtaposition. What Haden (and his country/hillbilly music grounding) brought to Ornette's music remains under-appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 What Haden (and his country/hillbilly music grounding) brought to Ornette's music remains under-appreciated. As does, I think, how "country" Ornette's conception was/is at root. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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