Who Is Carl Brown?

[Luciano]

Long story. In the late '70s before the Atlantic fire, I was negotiating with Nesuhi Ertegun (via Cuscuna) to buy 2 unissued dates from Atlantic. They had a half album by Lacy and another by Don Cherry. I planned an lp coupling these dates.

We had agreed on the $, and Nesuhi asked me to negotiate royalty deals with Lacy and Cherry before signing. Then I received news via Cuscuna that the deal was off since Warner/Atlantic's Japanese affiliate (Pioneer) had announced the desire to issue a series of "unissued Atlantics", and had requested a complete master list.

That series never materialized, and then the warehouse fire destroyed the masters. Luckily Atlantic had sent me 7 1/2 ips stereo copies of the masters.

I think Cuscuna had a set as well, and probably sent them to Atlantic after the fire.

A couple years ago I inquired about leasing the material so I could issue it, but was told the deal was too small for them to bother.

The Cherry date is a trio with Henry Grimes and Ed Blackwell, and is spectacular. Ruppli's Atlantic discography lists 4 "unknown" titles, but I only have 3. Maybe the 4th was incomplete.

Dear Nessa,

happy to write you (expecially if you are the Chuck Nessa of Nessa Records, as I suppose).

I'm a Don Cherry's passionate and I wish to known if the unissued session by Cherry could

be recorded in Los Angeles, Atlantic's Studio, 1961

and the titles:

5829 The Idiot (04:56)

5830 Harlemite (08:34)

5831 Black Elk Speaks (07:10)

On the contrary, could you so kind to write date recording and any other informations about?

Again: Is it possible you will publish a record of that item?

Greetings

Luciano

[Big Beat Steve]

@Luciano:

See Michael Fitzgerald's post of 10 March 2003 above.

He answers it all.

[Luciano]

I whish known if these are the correct personnel on the Holy Mountain Soundtrack, by Jodorowski:
Don Cherry tp,Carlos Ward as,Leroy Jenkins vln,Joan Klisch, Nancy Newton viola,
Pat Dixon, Jane Robertson cello,Carla Bley p,Christer Bothén guinbri at the beginning of the film,
Richard Davis b, Bengt Berger perc, Ed Blackwell dr plus unidentified
members of the Jazz Composers Orchestra.
I apologize with all for my bad English

[paul secor]

I whish known if these are the correct personnel on the Holy Mountain Soundtrack, by Jodorowski:

Don Cherry tp,Carlos Ward as,Leroy Jenkins vln,Joan Klisch, Nancy Newton viola,

Pat Dixon, Jane Robertson cello,Carla Bley p,Christer Bothén guinbri at the beginning of the film,

Richard Davis b, Bengt Berger perc, Ed Blackwell dr plus unidentified

members of the Jazz Composers Orchestra.

I apologize with all for my bad English

I understand what you're saying and that's all that matters. Your English is much better than my Italian.

[Luciano]

I whish known if these are the correct personnel on the Holy Mountain Soundtrack, by Jodorowski:

Don Cherry tp,Carlos Ward as,Leroy Jenkins vln,Joan Klisch, Nancy Newton viola,

Pat Dixon, Jane Robertson cello,Carla Bley p,Christer Bothén guinbri at the beginning of the film,

Richard Davis b, Bengt Berger perc, Ed Blackwell dr plus unidentified

members of the Jazz Composers Orchestra.

I apologize with all for my bad English

I understand what you're saying and that's all that matters. Your English is much better than my Italian.

Thank you Grovissimo,

do you known something about my question on Holy Mountain Soundtrack?

Greetings

[B. Clugston]

Ethan Iverson posted this on his blog a few years back:

HH wrote in about another mystery, Carl Brown, the bassist on the Lacy/Cherry Evidence. "I asked Billy Higgins about Carl Brown. I was assuming it was a stage name. He said that was his real name and something like, 'He came to NY, did what he had to do and he split.'"

http://dothemath.typepad.com/dtm/2011/04/we-see.html

[colinmce]

Still dying to hear that Don Cherry date. Maybe some day.

Is the Steve Lacy date the one with Denis Charles & Roswell Rudd that was eventually released? That was done for Verve. Did Lacy also record for Atlantic?

[Chuck Nessa]

Still dying to hear that Don Cherry date. Maybe some day.

Is the Steve Lacy date the one with Denis Charles & Roswell Rudd that was eventually released? That was done for Verve. Did Lacy also record for Atlantic?

Yes he did a date for Atlantic. As discussed earlier in this thread (see post #2), it was a trio with Carl Brown and Billy Higgins. I have both sessions.

Edited November 24, 2014 by Chuck Nessa

[colinmce]

Yeah, I saw. Just double checking it's strange, the Verve date is frequently mentioned but this is the first I've heard of the Atlantic. I wonder what Lacy sounded like in a trio at that time. Listening to Evidence yesterday, he sounds like himself, but still a small ways off from coming fully into his own style.

Also I don't think Brown sounds remotely like Charlie Haden. He plays well, but offers mostly support. I don't know what it would take for Haden to lay back like that.

[bertrand]

What would it take to get these recordings released? Is crowdfunding an option if all the permissions can be secured?

Bertrand.

[Luciano]

Ciao Big Beat Steve

and thank you for your answer

I don't saw it the last time I visit the site

Thank you and have a good new year

Luciano

PS: Godd new year to all the Organissimo Jazz fans

@Luciano:

See Michael Fitzgerald's post of 10 March 2003 above.

He answers it all.

CiaoBig Beat Steve

I don't saw your note the la time I have visited the sit

Thank you and have a good New Year

Luciano

PS: Goo New Year to all who read

[Luciano]

Ciao,

I'm interesting to known who plays on the TOPSY Part One & Two with Cozy Cole (recorded probably on 1958)

[paul secor]

According to Jepsen, it's Jack Lesberg.

[Luciano]

Jack Leberg, and the others?

[paul secor]

Bernie Privin (tp),Urbie Green (tb), Peanuts Hucko (cl, ts) Bert Farber (p), Dick Hyman (org), and, of course, Cozy Cole (dr).

[Luciano]

Thank you Groovissimo.

you are a very kind person

Greetings

Luciano

[Luciano]

Again Grovissimo,

but the bassist' name is Leberg or Lesberg?

[Clunky]

Off all the pieces of info shared here over the years these unreleased sessions have always stuck in my mind. I'd love to see these made available.

[paul secor]

Again Grovissimo,

but the bassist' name is Leberg or Lesberg?

Lesberg - my mistake in typing.

[Luciano]

Cioa Groovissimo

Don't worry, I make same mistake as yours each time I write in English and in Italien too)

Thanks

Look cioa instead of Ciao