Scatting to Hank Mobley's solo on If I Should Lose you.

[Hardbopjazz]

I really dug this, or should I say, "This I Dig of You." 

 

 

Edited February 17, 2016 by Hardbopjazz

[Larry Kart]

Not to be sexist, but I can see Ms. Bertault singing this to me in fairly personal circumstances.

[JSngry]

You mean like, if you take her to the mall and have her go over the plan if y'all get separated and can't find each other?

[BillF]

I could do with some more of that ...

http://www.classicfm.com/discover/music/coltrane-giant-steps-solo-sung/#05bTARqio7HPhgoA.97

There's no stopping her!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQhxHR9t9xY

Though I don't know what drinking at Christmas has to do with "Blue Train" :-)

Edited February 18, 2016 by BillF

[Larry Kart]

5 hours ago, JSngry said:

You mean like, if you take her to the mall and have her go over the plan if y'all get separated and can't find each other?

How did you know?

[JSngry]

I've been to malls before. I see what people do there.

[mikeweil]

Why not? I can't think of a better training for a jazz vocalist. Exactly what Lennie Tristano and his school did when they gave Bird's solos to their vocal students to memorize. I think she does ist extremely well. It's hard to do, isn't it? Let's wait and see what she does in  a couple of years.

She's going to have ger first CD out on Sunnyside soon: http://sunnysidezone.com/album/en-vie  - I just pre-ordered. This is right up my vocal jazz alley. Hope she tours in Germany soon. I love this kind of singing. 

[l p]

when scatting is done on fast songs (ella), i just want to break my stereo in half.

i recently heard a joke about scatting 

"wouldn't it be easier to just learn the words?"

[Brad]

20 hours ago, BillF said:

I could do with some more of that ...

http://www.classicfm.com/discover/music/coltrane-giant-steps-solo-sung/#05bTARqio7HPhgoA.97

There's no stopping her!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQhxHR9t9xY

To say she's incredible is one huge understatement!

[JSngry]

The only "negative" observation I have is that her internal dynamics are a little flat-lined. She's not learned/heard how to ghost notes to varying degrees within the course of a line/phrase. That's what makes bop-family phrasing so gripping, the bobbing and weaving that comes from some notes being more implied than actually sounded, and then notes really popping when they are.

It's not just her, it's a whole "thing" over the last 40-50 years.  as players got more chord/scale-y and more even eights in their phrasing, the boppish bob and weave seemed to no longer be a consideration. Too bad, because for me, that a deep part of swing. But listen to Hank, his lines have all kinds of dynamics within them, he very much bobs and weaves.

 

[Dmitry]

I'm no musician, but I find her range quite limited to attempt to emulate Coltrane's tenor. It's like playing it on a recorder.

I recognize what it is, but it's like a pencil sketch of Mona Lisa.

Just my $0.02

Edited February 18, 2016 by Dmitry

[page]

I think she is quite awesome. I know for a fact it is challenging to write vocalise, I've done a few myself. She is quite good at it. I hope to hear many more of her hand. I don't think she is trying to duplicate the tone of John Coltrane, no one can do that, nor should one want to. She does bring something new to his song the way she has done this and not every musician is able to do that.

Edited February 18, 2016 by page

[mikeweil]

Give her a few years, she's still learning and practicing. Encourage her. Or go scatting yourselves!

Those who are doing it always deserve a little bit more respect than those who are talking about it, IMHO. I wish her all the best. Name any other jazz singer her age attempting the same - most are trapped in the Norah Jones / Cassandra Wilson / Rebekka Bakken Bermuda triangle. 

[Hardbopjazz]

Here she is performing with a band.

 

[JSngry]

Still needs to get those accents more bobby-weavy (for my admittedly out-of-style tastes). It's not a "vocal" thing, it's a "body" thing. Not for nothing was the "old" jazz culture one that included things like boxing and tap-dancing.

[mikeweil]

I can do without boxing, but tap-dancing, yes. Remember all the other things included, that more or less killed people - jazz without this has to be different, of course. I'm glad she's there and connecting to this tradition, musically, in the first place - I can relate to that, as this was my way, too, decades ago, just listening to the records, fascinated - no idea about substance abuse, corrupt agents, racism, and was pretty disillusioned when I learned about all these things. Of course that's all part of the human condition, but I think it's the music that stays.

She will get there, to what you're missing, Jim, in her own, different way, I'm sure. I'll definitely go see and hear her, when I get an opportunity. O course, I'm a scat nut, and since it's getting rare these days ....

One afterthought: wasn't this "old" jazz culture a pretty much male dominated thing? Women dance, too, but differently.

[JSngry]

[mikeweil]

Can she sing? Or scat? Or write vocalese lyrics? In French?

Women imitating men's ways, that's only one side of the coin. I like the other side better. 

Jim always wants to have the last post, eh? 

Edited February 20, 2016 by mikeweil

[page]

On 19-2-2016 at 7:33 PM, JSngry said:

...It's not a "vocal" thing, it's a "body" thing.

Singing you need to do with your whole body, so I don't see a problem there. My coach always emphasized that. I'm sure she will get to that. I agree with Mike. I'm happy to see a singer like this one. It is inspiring to all of us!

[JSngry]

Well, not "all of us", but that's not really the point. Go ahead on, then.

[page]

I meant, us singers. Sorry, Jim.

[JSngry]

Well, ok, I guess. But just to be clear, I don't see where it's a male/female, singer/instrumentalist, Euro/American thing. None of that. It's a swing thing, period. There's more people in the world today who swing like this lady does than there are who swing the way I like it. So, ok, I'm "impressed" by her "accomplishment", but I'm with her like I with most people occupying this zone of rhythmic perception - just not interested in being int he room while it goes on. If she gets there, then I will be, and if not, she'll have plenty of people there with her. It's ok. When she gets to Camille, let's see what's there. Until then, she's in a room with a lot of people both trying and enjoying, so...bon voyage, right? Vaya con dios, whatever. Have a nice trip. See you when I see you.

That's all, not really complicated.

[page]

I guess I've completely misinterpreted. Sorry Jim, must be a language thing. I actually agree with you about swinging. I would like to see her performance live though.

Edited February 24, 2016 by page

[Brad]

Well, I'd go see her if she were in the area.  Not sure I could get my wife to go along though

[Quasimado]

On 2016/2/17 at 0:49 AM, Hardbopjazz said:

On 2016/2/21 at 9:05 AM, JSngry said:

There's more people in the world today who swing like this lady does than there are who swing the way I like it.

 

Care to elaborate? Q