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when do you rekon THE WAY I FEEL will be out as a single disk. that album is way too good to be out of print. i have never heard it but once i saw big john not too long ago play the title cut. it was one of the high points of the show

No time soon with the Mosaic Select readily available. Anyway, the Mosaic is great and well worth buying.

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i wish i could find some patton playing with sun ra. i heard he played with ra. is this true? maybe it isn't.

also heard that patton had a trio with pharoah sanders and maybe george brown on drums? wonder if anything live or studio exists of this.

reading the liner notes to harold alexander's "sunshine man", i gues alexander went on to play with elvin jones? that's sounds worth hearing too. wonder if anything exists....

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Having just recently gotten the Patton Select, there were three sessions there that were totally new to me (I think they where the last of his BN leader dates that I didn't already have). One of these I would rank right up there with the VERY best of his work...

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THAT CERTAIN FEELING totally kicks ass. The date is split across discs #2 and #3 on the Select, so I burned it all to one disc for listening in the car and such. DAMN, couldn't get that thing out of my car player for nearly a week. Jimmy Ponder is truely amazing on this date. :wub:

Between this, and the alternate "warm up" date for Andrew Hill's GRASS ROOTS -- I really wish that Ponder had recorded in more "challenging" contexts in the late 60's (like he did with Patton and Hill).

Wouldn't Ponder have been GREAT on a late 60's Larry Young date??

Or here's a crazy idea -- how about a Wayne Shorter album with just guitar (Ponder!), bass, and drums (no piano) -- sometime in about 1965-67. Coulda been interesting.

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One of these I would rank right up there with the VERY best of his work...

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THAT CERTAIN FEELING totally kicks ass.

Yes, I couldn't agree more. That Certain Feeling isn't only one of Patton's best...it's one of BLUE NOTE'S best!!!!

Just a side note, Patton and Ponder had not played together until that day in the studio. No rehearsal, some of the tunes (all?) Patton came up with on the spot. That album is totally amazing.

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To that end, the Nilva side, where he hooked up with another master of specificity, Grachan Moncur III, was a match made in heaven!

I gotta find a copy of that.

The auction ended at $21.00.

Any board member the lucky winner?

That's pretty cheap! And here I thought I had a valuable original! :)

MG

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I've just been listening to "Soul connection" and paid particular attention to Grant Reed, the tenor player on the date. Apart from this, Reed has, to my knowledge, only appeared on 2 Mongo Santamaria albums - "Mongo '70" and "Mongo's way". But he's a great tenor player; rather reminiscent of Booker Ervin and John Manning. Does anyone know anything about him? Is he from Texas? Has he appeared on any other albums?

MG

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John is still the king. His records seem just as alive to me as the day they were recorded. One day the jazz world will catch up to what John was all about. Until then, I'll just keep spinning "Understanding" and saying "Damn!" He was so hip. After about '65, he was unstopable. Once you get to his last recorded sessions for Blue Note, he was waving 'bye bye' to all the organ grinders recycling Jimmy Smith licks. That's just the facts. People are unaware. Pure musicality. No bullshitting when John was on the stand. RIP, we miss you.

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How come such a long gap between 'Got a good thing goin' and 'That Certain Feeling'. Did this have something to do with Grant Green's hiatus from recording as well? By the way, the guitarist Peter Leitch in the liner notes to 'His Majesty King Funk,' mentions seeing Big John, Grant and and David Fathead Newman???I think,,, playing in Canada in 69. Wonder if that was about the last time that Grant and Big John performed together?

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How come such a long gap between 'Got a good thing goin' and 'That Certain Feeling'. Did this have something to do with Grant Green's hiatus from recording as well? By the way, the guitarist Peter Leitch in the liner notes to 'His Majesty King Funk,' mentions seeing Big John, Grant and and David Fathead Newman???I think,,, playing in Canada in 69. Wonder if that was about the last time that Grant and Big John performed together?

"Let 'em roll", which was recorded before "Got a good thing goin'", was released after it and before "Certain feeling". This was just after Liberty bought BN so I guess they must have been looking for some stuff to get out quick.

MG

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“BIG” JOHN PATTON BLUE NOTE DISCOGRAPHY

THE NATURAL SOUL - BLP - 4108

LOU DONALDSON

MAY 9, 1962

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

TOMMY TURRENTINE, TRUMPET; LOU DONALDSON, ALTO SAX;

GRANT GREEN, GUITAR; “BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; BEN DIXON, DRUMS

1 FUNKY MAMA TK-15

2 LOVE WALKED IN TK-19

3 SPACEMAN TWIST TK-4

4 SOW BELLY BLUES TK-20

5 THAT’S ALL TK-13

6 NICE ’N’ GREASY TK-23

7 PEOPLE WILL SAY WE’RE IN LOVE TK-8

GOOD GRACIOUS! - BLP - 4125

LOU DONALDSON

JANUARY 24, 1963

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

LOU DONALDSON, ALTO SAX; GRANT GREEN, GUITAR;

“BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; BEN DIXON, DRUMS

1 BAD JOHN TK-15

2 THE HOLY GHOST TK-2

3 CHERRY TK-10

4 CARACAS TK-10

5 GOOD GRACIOUS TK-4

6 DON’T WORRY ’BOUT ME TK-16

ROCKIN’ THE BOAT - BL - 4141

JIMMY SMITH

FEBRUARY 7, 1963

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

LOU DONALDSON, ALTO SAX, JIMMY SMITH, ORGAN; QUENTIN WARREN, GUITAR; DONALD BAILEY, DRUMS; "BIG" JOHN PATTON, TAMBOURINE

1 MATILDA, MATILDA TK-2

2 PORK CHOP TK-6

3 JUST A CLOSER WALK WITH THEE TK-11A

BLUES FOR LOU

GRANT GREEN - CONNOISSEUR CD SERIES

FEBRUARY 20, 1963 AND JUNE 7,1963 (#8)

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

GRANT GREEN, GUITAR; “BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; BEN DIXON, DRUMS

1 THE SURREY WITH THE FRINGE ON TOP TK-11

2 BIG JOHN TK-31

3 DON’T LET THE SUN CATCH YOU CRYING TK-28

4 LOOK AT THAT GIRL OF MINE TK-15

5 THIS LITTLE GIRL OF MINE TK-15

6 PERSONALITY TK-10

7 HAVE YOU EVER HAD THE BLUES TK-24

8 BLUES FOR LOU TK-26

AM I BLUE - BLP - 4139

GRANT GREEN

MAY 16, 1963

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

JOHNNY COLES, TRUMPET; JOE HENDERSON, TENOR SAX;

GRANT GREEN, GUITAR; “BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; BEN DIXON, DRUMS

1 AM I BLUE TK-3

2 TAKE THESE CHAINS FROM MY HEART TK-5

3 I WANNA BE LOVED TK-23

4 SWEET SLUMBER TK-10

5 FOR ALL WE KNOW TK-25

STEPPIN’ OUT - BLP - 4138

HAROLD VICK

MAY 27, 1963

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

HAROLD VICK; TENOR SAX; BLUE MITCHELL, TRUMPET;

GRANT GREEN, GUITAR; “BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; BEN DIXON, DRUMS

1 OUR MISS BROOKS TK-14

2 TRIMMED IN BLUE TK-5

3 LAURA TK-17

4 DOTTY’S DREAM TK-16

5 VICKSVILLE TK-7

6 STEPPIN’ OUT TK-12

A MAN WITH A HORN

LOU DONALDSON - CONNOISSEUR CD SERIES

JUNE 7, 1963

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

IRVIN STOKES, TRUMPET; LOU DONALDSON, ALTO SAX;

GRANT GREEN, GUITAR; “BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; BEN DIXON, DRUMS

1 HIPTY HOP TK-10

2 MY MELANCHOLY BABY TK-20

3 CHERRY PINK AND APPLE BLOSSOM WHITE TK-3

4 SOUL MEETIN’ TK-9

SHOUTIN - BLP - 4145

DON WILKERSON

JULY 30, 1963

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

DON WILKERSON, TENOR SAX; GRANT GREEN, GUITAR;

“BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; BEN DIXON, DRUMS

1 MOVIN’ OUT TK-12

2 COOKIN’ WITH CLARENCE TK-8

3 EASY LIVING TK-17

4 HAPPY JOHNNY TK-13

5 BLUES FOR J TK-21

6 SWEET CAKE TK-4

COWBELL BOOGIE - SINGLE

FRED JACKSON - THE LOST SESSIONS - CONNOISSEUR CD SERIES

JUNE 12, 1962

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

FRED JACKSON, TENOR SAX AND COWBELL; JOHN PATTON, PIANO;

GRANT GREEN, GUITAR; HERBIE LEWIS, BASS; BEN DIXON, DRUMS

ALONG CAME JOHN - BLP - 4130

“BIG” JOHN PATTON

APRIL 5, 1963

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

FRED JACKSON, TENOR SAX; HAROLD VICK; TENOR SAX

GRANT GREEN, GUITAR; “BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; BEN DIXON, DRUMS

1 THE SILVER METER TK-2

2 I’LL NEVER BE FREE TK-21

3 SPIFFY DIFFY TK-3

4 ALONG CAME JOHN TK-14

5 GEE GEE TK-12

6 PIGS FOOTS TK-20

BLUE JOHN - BST - 84143

“BIG” JOHN PATTON

AUGUST 2, 1963 AND JULY 13, 1963 (#5 AND #6)

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

TOMMY TURRENTINE, TRUMPET; GEORGE BRAITH, SOPRANO SAX AND STRITCH;

GRANT GREEN, GUITAR; “BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; BEN DIXON, DRUMS

1 HOT SAUCE TK-16

2 BERMUDA CLAY HOUSE TK-20

3 DEM DIRTY BLUES TK-34

4 COUNTRY GIRL TK-36

5 NICETY TK-14 6) BLUE JOHN TK-3

THE WAY I FEEL - BLP- 4174

“BIG” JOHN PATTON

JUNE 19, 1964

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

RICHARD WILLIAMS, TRUMPET; FRED JACKSON, TENOR SAX AND BARITONE SAX:

GRANT GREEN, GUITAR; “BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; BEN DIXON, DRUMS

1 THE ROCK TK-17 (1377)

2 THE WAY I FEEL TK-20 (1378)

3 JERRY TK-9 (1376)

4 DAVENE TK-28 (1380)

5 JUST 3/4 TK-22 (1379)

OH BABY! - BLP - 4192

“BIG” JOHN PATTON

MARCH 8, 1964

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

BLUE MITCHELL, TRUMPET; HAROLD VICK, TENOR SAX;

GRANT GREEN, GUITAR; “BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; BEN DIXON, DRUMS

1 FAT JUDY TK-33 (1541)

2 OH BABY! TK-33 (1538)

3 EACH TIME TK-27 (1539)

4 ONE TO TWELVE TK-7 (1536)

5 NIGHT FLIGHT TK-10 (1537)

6 GOOD JUICE TK-29 (1540)

LET ’EM ROLL - BLP - 4239

“BIG” JOHN PATTON

DECEMBER 11, 1965

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

GRANT GREEN, GUITAR; “BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN;

BOBBY HUTCHERSON, VIBES; OTIS FINCH, DRUMS

1 LET ‘EM ROLL TK-25 (1697)

2 LATONA TK-14 (1695)

3 THE SHADOW OF YOUR SMILE TK-2 (1693)

4 THE TURNAROUND TK-5 (1694)

5 JAKEY TK-21 (1696)

6 ONE STEP AHEAD TJ-28 (1698)

GOT A GOOD THING GOIN’ - BLP - 4229

“BIG” JOHN PATTON

APRIL 29, 1966

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

GRANT GREEN, GUITAR; “BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN;

HUGH WALKER, DRUMS; RICHARD LANDRUM, CONGA

1 THE YODEL TK-45 (1734)

2 SOUL WOMAN TK-7 (1730)

3 AIN’T THAT PECULIAR TK-42 (1733)

4 THE SHAKE TK-37 (1732)

5 AMANDA TK-28 (1731)

THAT CERTAIN FEELING

“BIG” JOHN PATTON

MARCH 8, 1968

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

JUNIOR COOK, TENOR SAX; JIMMY PONDER, GUITAR;

“BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; CLIFFORD JARVIS, DRUMS

1 STRING BEAN

2 I WANT TO GO HOME

3 EARLY A.M.

4 DIRTY FINGERS

5 MINOR SWING

6 DADDY JAMES

BOOGALOO

“BIG” JOHN PATTON

AUGUST 9, 1968

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

VINCENT McEWAN, TRUMPET; HAROLD ALEXANDER, FLUTE AND TENOR SAX;

“BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; GEORGE EDWARD BROWN, DRUMS;

RICHIE “PABLO” LANDRUM, CONGA

1 BOOGALOO BOOGIE

2 MILK & HONEY

3 BAREFOOTIN’

4 SHOUTIN’ BUT NO POUTIN’

5 SPIRIT

6 B & J (TWO SISTERS)

UNDERSTANDING - BST - 84306

“BIG” JOHN PATTON

OCTOBER 25, 1968

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

HAROLD ALEXANDER, FLUTE AND TENOR SAX;

“BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; HUGH WALKER, DRUMS

1 DING DONG

2 CONGO CHANT

3 ALFIE’S THEME

4 SOUL MAN

5 UNDERSTANDING

6 CHITLINS CON CARNE

ACCENT ON THE BLUES - BN BST 84340

“BIG” JOHN PATTON

AUGUST 15, 1969 (#1-7) AND JUNE 9, 1969 (#8-10)

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

MARVIN CABELL, TENOR SAX, SAXELLO AND FLUTE; GEORGE COLEMAN,

TENOR SAX (#8-10); JAMES “BLOOD” ULMER, GUITAR (#1-7);

“BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; LEROY WILLIAMS, DRUMS

1 RAKIN’ AND SCRAPIN’

2 FREEDOM JAZZ DANCE

3 CAPTAIN NASTY

4 VILLAGE LEE

5 LITE HIT

6 DON’T LET ME LOSE THIS DREAM

7 LITE HI (ALT TAKE )

8 BUDDY BOY

9 2 J

10 SWEET PEA

MEMPHIS TO NEW YORK SPIRIT - BN BST 84366 AND BST 84418

“BIG” JOHN PATTON

OCTOBER 2,1970 (#1-5) AND JUNE 9, 1969 (#6-8)

VAN GELDER STUDIO

ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, NEW JERSEY

MARVIN CABELL, FLUTE TENOR AND SOPRANO SAX; JAMES “BLOOD” ULMER, GUITAR; “BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; LEROY WILLIAMS, DRUMS - (#1-5)

MARVIN CABELL, TENOR AND SOPRANO SAX; GEORGE COLEMAN,

TENOR SAX; “BIG” JOHN PATTON, B-3 ORGAN; LEROY WILLIAMS, DRUMS - (#6-8)

1 MEMPHIS

2 FOOTPRINTS

3 THE MANDINGO

4 BLOODYUN

5 STENO

6 MAN FROM TANGANYIKA

7 CISSY STRUT

8 DRAGON SLAYER

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"Let 'em roll", which was recorded before "Got a good thing goin'", was released after it and before "Certain feeling". This was just after Liberty bought BN so I guess they must have been looking for some stuff to get out quick.

MG

Wow, I've never heard that!?

These are the Blue Notes that were issued with the new mono/stereo sleeve design (post Liberty acquisition), before the issue of the 1967/68 BN illustrated catalogue.

4237 12/66 Unit structures

4240 12/66 Rough n tumble

4222 3/67 Cornbread

4248 3/67 Vibrations

4228 4/67 Bring it home to me

4250 4/67 Jody grind

4239 6/67 Let em roll

4246 6/67 Empty foxhole

4252 6/67 Sweet honey bee

4245 10/67 Like someone in love

4247 10/67 Symphony for improvisers

4253 10/67 Street of dreams

4255 10/67 I’m movin on

4263 10/67 Alligator bogaloo

4251 4/68 Easterly winds

4206 ? Contours

BN also delayed the issue of "Street of dreams", which had been recorded before "I want to hold your hand" (released 7/66).

MG

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So 4229 and 4239 suggest both sessions hit the streets pretty close to each other.

Very short. "Got a good thing goin'" came out 10/66, only 8 months before "Let 'em roll". Maybe it didn't sell well.

Still makes nearly 2 years between recording sessions for Big John. Would the Liberty takeover have played a part in that perhaps.

Soul stream would be better able to answer that, but I think the difference between "Let 'em roll" and "Certain feeling" is quite huge and indicates a lot of work on John Patton's part. There was a complete break with his former colleagues (partly because GG was out of it) and a radically different approach.

Looking through the BN discography, there doesn't seem to be any notable hiatus between the two recording dates, except for about 5 weeks in late summer of 1967, when Alfred Lion actually retired. So I think it was down to John, feeling ready to record.

MG

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I wonder if the reason "Got a good thing goin'" came out before "Let 'em roll" was BN being bounced into it, because they were told that Patton and Green had recorded "The yodel" for Atlantic a few weeks earlier, with Grassella Oliphant. Ironically, Atlantic didn't issue "The grass is greener" until early 1968.

MG

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Still makes nearly 2 years between recording sessions for Big John. Would the Liberty takeover have played a part in that perhaps.

Soul stream would be better able to answer that, but I think the difference between "Let 'em roll" and "Certain feeling" is quite huge and indicates a lot of work on John Patton's part. There was a complete break with his former colleagues (partly because GG was out of it) and a radically different approach

MG

As MG said, there is a HUGE breakthrough stylistically for John between the recording of Got A Good Thing Going and That Certain Feeling. I would describe GGTG as the last chapter in Big John's initial style. That Certain Feeling started a WHOLE 'nother thing. The musical feeling from that point on 'til the end of his life was much more open and free. His harmonic concept really opened up and as John loved to say..."put the whammy on you!"

He covered a LOT of ground those two years, and I think the break with Grant really shows that he was developing his concept with other people. Here's a quote from John about that time....

John Patton, Feb. 2000 "There was something I wanted to capture in hearing Elvin play.... It was just another level that I wanted to try to get to. I had this concept of wanting to play feer, man, you know."

Also, 1967 was the year John began a 6 year relationship with the Nation of Islam, taking the name Ya Ya (although he never used the name professionally). I think this also played a part in his musical sensibilities at the time.

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I'm quickly becoming a big fan of Patton's music. After being very impressed with Boogaloo last week, I got Accent on the Blues today and Memphis to New York Spirit is already in the mail to me, too.

Also I will definitely be ordering the Mosaic Select along with the Hutcherson and Tyner sets pretty soon. :D

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